You have to kill the Guyver....

[Sully]

13 hours ago, Larz Zahn said:

Mostly because it wasn't military equipment, it was their version of a hazmat suit. Not much chance of dying before you get to a dangerous environment. Only 3 Units a ship, so I doubt the all the Uranus on the ship were equipped.

As shown in Dark Hero some ships had a LOT of dormant Units. Also in the comics the Relic in Arizona is refereed to as being larger than the other 3 in the comic. In Alkanphel's flashback when the Uranus tell him that he'll be one of 12 Zoalords they show him 12 Arks. So not every ship the used was the same and the Ark's design is most likely a Uranus warship of somekind modified by Chronos. Look at the scene when hey talked to Alkanphel there were 9+ control medals in the darkness lit up. They were never limited in anything the Uranus wanted in terms of numbers their own tech.they just had to grow it (which took A LONG time for some things like humanity to appear).

But you are totally correct on the Unit being basically a hazmat / command and control system / very advance space suit. To quote them "We have merged a non-processed human with the armor we commonly equip ourselves with". Purely because "We wish to know how our amour will effect a being that's being developed as a weapon".

 

 

 

[Sully]

17 hours ago, guyverfan said:

And we can't use dark hero as an example, because takaya is the creator, not steve wang, even though i did love the movie and thought he did an amazing job with it, peace steve,,,,just incase you're reading this. 

 

Steve Wang consulted with him about his script, so yeah we can for the most part class it as canon because Takaya wouldn't have let something completely wrong stay in the story. As Steve himself has said, He done that one for the fans as we've seen lately Steve Wang had met Takaya before.

[Larz Zahn]

I don't think I agree with the Guyver prolonging life. No evidence of that either.  We see sho grow older, tho that could just be the art style changing, but he still looks a little older than mizuki a year or so later. But I don't think having a unit slows your aging.

The only way I would accept that,  (a) is if the Guyver heals the aged cells once the armor or is active, but aging is natural, and not an injury, so would the unit see it as something to heal? Or (b) the control medal is yanked out and the body is regrown to the template when the host first bonded to the unit.

 I read a lot of fanfic where sho Guyver is immortal or forever young. I don't buy it. 

 

And I 100 percent agree with the unit being able to be grown, but two issues need to be addressed. The first is the metal for the medal. (Lol). Not able to grow that, so you would need supplies aboard ship, so the number of units is limited. And the second is harder. The bioboster organism is dangerous and aggressive, only controlled by the medal. So having raw bioboster on board would have to be contained or risk contaminating the ship. Then the crew. Growing more biobooster is relatively simple, it's a replicating organism, but keeping samples in check would be tricky.

Whew! The was a long post!

Gomen!

[Larz Zahn]

Oh sully, I didn't realize you had posted. Sorry! (Didn't notice a new page started!)

I can't contest there werent more than one unit room, far as I know they never said specifically if there was or not. But in the book where sho and agito explored the relic, they never came across more units, nor did sho become aware of more he connected with the ship. You'd think he'd notice. He had the time. Or when chronus explored the dead ship in arizona, they must of discovered the location of the unit room and used that info for the relic at relics point. They sent Zoanoids straight in a beeline for the unit room. Keep in mind that they were dying pretty fast and couldn't of had time to wander blindly.

 

As for dark hero... they made the unit a straight killer that Sean struggled with. And his megasmasher never scratched that ship neither.

 The movie was enjoyable but there are too many inconsistencies that Americans thru in there just to make it look cool or for. Shock factor. Heh, after the first American movie, I bet takaya was just overjoyed it was as close as it was! 

[*guyverfan]

1 hour ago, Larz Zahn said:

 

And I 100 percent agree with the unit being able to be grown, but two issues need to be addressed. The first is the metal for the medal. (Lol). Not able to grow that, so you would need supplies aboard ship, so the number of units is limited. And the second is harder. The bioboster organism is dangerous and aggressive, only controlled by the medal. So having raw bioboster on board would have to be contained or risk contaminating the ship. Then the crew. Growing more biobooster is relatively simple, it's a replicating organism, but keeping samples in check would be tricky.

Whew! The was a long post!

Gomen!

Aahh!, here's a bit of imagination for you. We know that when the ship lands on the ground, that those huge and long legs, which look like roots of a tooth borrow deep into the ground. What if, once settled, it grows out roots deep into the earth to consume raw materials which it uses to grow metal and organics and to sustain its self.?

Instead of spreading out roots, it may secrete some type of fluid which liquifies the raw materials in the ground and sucks them through its legs/roots. In a similar process as fraking.

And with cell regeneration, i don't know, but i find it difficult to believe that the unit would allow its host to die of old age!

Unless the host is supposed to tear out the control metal from his head everytime he gets to the age of 70. So that way as he's being consumed by the boost organism, the metal is growing a new clone.hehehe.

[Larz Zahn]

Balcus told shin that the material that composed the medal wasn't like anything they could find on earth, and couldn't replicate it. I think he was talking about apollyons armor being made of the same metal the control medal was.

I can totally see people dying from old age. It's a universal constant. Just like dying. It's natural. It happens.

Who's to say that the guyvers regenative capabilities are even standard? That could be another unique ability to a human Guyver like all its weapons. (I doubt it considering the basic nature of the biobooster organism.)

But the advent weren't immortal, dont even know of they are long lived, Just a scientist race or races that formed a coalition that explored genetic mutations as weapons.

[Sully]

15 hours ago, Larz Zahn said:

Balcus told shin that the material that composed the medal wasn't like anything they could find on earth, and couldn't replicate it. I think he was talking about apollyons armor being made of the same metal the control medal was.

I can totally see people dying from old age. It's a universal constant. Just like dying. It's natural. It happens.

Who's to say that the guyvers regenative capabilities are even standard? That could be another unique ability to a human Guyver like all its weapons. (I doubt it considering the basic nature of the biobooster organism.)

But the advent weren't immortal, dont even know of they are long lived, Just a scientist race or races that formed a coalition that explored genetic mutations as weapons.

Just because they can't find it on Earth doesn't mean that the Uranus didn't have plenty of supply. They had worn hole tech available to them so that wouldn't have being a limitation.

"It's Natural, it happens" for old age isn't again a problem to such a race. As a species we've already almost conquered aging to a point where future generations biggest issue is going to be how to manage a population that doesn't age. Genetics is crazy stuff, cancers etc in future will not be the problem it is now. Hell even how our bodies react to space, to radiation etc will all change in the future due to research now. In the Guyver Universe the "creators" have already got not just this knowledge but have turned a parasitic species into a bio-armour. So age to them if they want it to be isn't a problem like it is to us now. It also stands to reason that they simply don't see life with the limitations we do and had the capability to wait for evolution to provide answers to problems they had. That's EON's of time, you're not talking thousands of years but millions simply waiting and seeing what happens. So allowing death to get in the way when they didn't have to doesn't seem like the best approach. It's not that didn't happen, but old age simply wasn't a concern to them.

Though here's a thought, what makes you think that they were beings like us? With know the Relics are Immortal as long as they have supply of volcanic heat they live forever (the Japanese Relic confirms this). So simply put, what if with that giant organic brain that was in the ships and a Unit G's telepathic powers the Uranus themselves were never on earth? Only their ships were and they operated everything remotely and any creature they had with those control medals were simply puppets they controlled?

FYI I'm not saying that Sho is now an immortal as we still don't know the long term effects of a unit on a host. There is a very big difference in age on a teenager to early adult and a host aging to a point were their body starts failing them. But simply put that part of any debate is mute because Takaya simply hasn't given us enough info. 

 

 

[Larz Zahn]

Ok you got me on the ship. And if the longevity is a species trait that's fine,  I just dont see a Guyver unit effecting the host body unless it's equipped. And instantly making someone young or putting them in age stasis doesnt really fit in the style of guyver. But I don't like making conjecture, I rather make assumptions based off what has already been seen in the manga. 

 

To answer the the topics question. A enzyme type with full Control of my body, with flight and razells (is that him?) Stealth ability. Get in close and fast although while hecan sense the disturbance, he'll be confused for a small moment. Use thst hesitation and go in for the kill, rip the medal out. Then dunk the medal in a vat of enzyme.

 

Unfortunately I don't think chronus is really aware of the Guyver clone threat? Enzyme 1 killed it before it could finish forming, so the resulting biobooster monster would probably kill me flat! Lol!

[Larz Zahn]

I was reading thru some older topics, the science thread, and I have an idea.

Find some way to destroy the organs on shos back that calls the guyver. It'll be stuck in the boost dimension! 

 

You can either drug sho before hand or tranquilizer him whenever, and then cut them out. Or just hit that spot with something explosive.