Zoaknight Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Can a Guyver bio-boost twice in a row? Like, for example, if Guyver II F had run into zoanoids again shortly after making her big flashy escape from Pillars of Heaven HQ, would she have had the energy left to transform again? And if she WAS able to bio-boost again, would all her weapons systems have been available to her or would she'd be in a weakened state? I've been following Guyver for a long time but I can't recall if Valcuria or Sho or any of the other guyvers have ever been in a situation in which they were forced to bio-boost again after having already canceled the transformation. Quote
Destroyer Guyver Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Assuming my memory isn't failing me yes a Guyver host could Bio-Boost repeatedly if they needed to (so long as they don't collapse from fatigue of course), one of the key elements of the Bio-Boost process is the massive amount of energy that the unit has access to on its initial activation which among other things allows it to more or less instantly recharge the host. Also Guyver 2F isn't a good example to use as her unit was created by Cronos and has a couple of "issues" as a result. Quote
Zoaknight Posted December 3, 2011 Author Posted December 3, 2011 Assuming my memory isn't failing me yes a Guyver host could Bio-Boost repeatedly if they needed to (so long as they don't collapse from fatigue of course), one of the key elements of the Bio-Boost process is the massive amount of energy that the unit has access to on its initial activation which among other things allows it to more or less instantly recharge the host. Also Guyver 2F isn't a good example to use as her unit was created by Cronos and has a couple of "issues" as a result. You have a point there about her unit being an experimental prototype, though thus far she seems to operate as well as a normal guyver except for the inability to reconstitute her garments, & she seemed to either suffer a power surge or something during her fight against the Enzyme IIIs & that hyper zoanoid...though considering she cut her way through the P.O.H. zoanoid defense forces like they were nothing I'd still say she's a force to be reckoned with, I was just pressed for a situation in which a guyver had already used much of its power and reverted to normal. If she had been attacked again before making her getaway, would she have been able to bioboost again & use any degree of her power? At any rate, we have a better idea of a conventional guyver's stamina, such as their ability to fire the Mega Smasher at full power only once due to the energy it uses up (though the guyver can continue to fight and use its lesser weaons afterwards). So if Sho or Agito had been through the same battle she'd just been through, cutting through zoanoids and mega smashing their way out, then returned to normal, would they be able to bioboost again if they were unlucky enough to be happened upon by more zoanoids? And if so, how much power would they have left to burn? Would they able to fight at full power again or would some of their weapons be unavailable to them? Quote
Destroyer Guyver Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Regarding Guyver 2F I really don't know if she could re-Bio-Boost simply because the instability of Her unit makes any guess difficult i.e. her unit may not reactivate at all or it could activate then explode. For Sho/Agito however they should be capable of transforming again and be at full power even after a punishing fight, the only real problem would be if they collapse from exhaustion upon returning to their human forms. Quote
McAvoy Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 That is the limit, is Sho and Agito being simply tired from their long ordeals. Mental and physically tired. Quote
Zoaknight Posted December 9, 2011 Author Posted December 9, 2011 That is the limit, is Sho and Agito being simply tired from their long ordeals. Mental and physically tired. So its the host's stamina that's the real deciding factor, if they push themselves too far they can end up falling unconscious upon deactivating the armor, leaving themselves sitting ducks for any surviving zoanoids lingering about. We know the Guyver armor itself can be taxed however against exceedingly powerful opponents, like Neo Zektole or a Zoalord, though I don't think we've ever seen a Guyver become completely exhausted (we've seen them drained due to injury or use of their stronger weapons like the Mega Smasher though). Quote
*zeo Posted December 16, 2011 Posted December 16, 2011 Guyver stamina is a bit of a complex subject. From what I understand of the unit operation I've come to the following conclusions... 1) The Guyver unit draws its power from the Boost Dimension, where it also stores itself when not active. 2) The initial Bio-Boost induces a massive infusion of energy, essentially super charging the Guyver. 3) The Gravity Control Orb provides a link to the Boost Dimension and thus functions essentially as a trickle charger to help maintain and recovery energy reserves. So given time the Guyver can not only complete regenerate from any injury that doesn't destroy the CM but can even restore energy reserves to fire the Mega Smashers again after depletion. It's just a slow process and thus it takes longer than most Guyver battles. 4) The Guyver organism can naturally initiate a Bio-Boost but this seems to only take place when it's changing form, this conclusion being derived from the Bio-Boost Monster clone that was created from G1's severed forearm. This provides an alternate explanation for how the Guyver can completely regenerate from just a few cells and the CM, but takes nearly a half day to initiate. Though this helps explains how the unit could completely regenerate the host in a matter of minutes, given that normal regeneration is much slower. 5) Guyver units can be de-activated before the unit has fully regenerated the host. Presumably as long as the life of the host is not in danger then the armor can be disengaged. Thus explaining why sometimes the host looks worse for wear and other times they seem completely recovered, depending on how long it has been after a battle before they de-activate the armor. 6) Regeneration of cloths appears secondary, as areas where the Guyver has been damaged can leave gaps in clothing but if allowed to it appears the unit can regenerate the cloths as well if given time, since the gaps in clothing has not been consistent in the Manga, but the host is the priority. 7) The CM and consequently the unit appears to respond to the host will but this puts a mental strain upon the host and appears to be the main source of fatigue. So even if the host appears physically fine they can still require long periods of rest/sleep. Btw, G1 has demonstrated in the Manga the ability to quickly re-activate the unit. The result was all the damage he had just a minute before was completely gone and appeared to be back to full strength. It's a dangerous tactic though as the host is vulnerable while the unit is de-activated and risks being killed or knocked out before the armor can be called back. Also if the host is not fully regenerated then that provides a additional risk factor for the host in case the host loses consciousness before the armor can be called back. However, the Gigantic Armor seems to require so much power that though it too gets instantly repaired with a re-activation or transfer but it's reserves remain depleted unless given time to recharge in the Boost Dimension. Though it's possible that the Exceed form may circumvent this limit as the transformation involves siphoning massive amounts of energy from the Boost Dimension with the Gigantic's Power Amp Crystals and could mean the Gigantic can be recharged faster if the host has the will to do so. Quote
Zoaknight Posted December 16, 2011 Author Posted December 16, 2011 Zeo wrote: Btw, G1 has demonstrated in the Manga the ability to quickly re-activate the unit. The result was all the damage he had just a minute before was completely gone and appeared to be back to full strength. It's a dangerous tactic though as the host is vulnerable while the unit is de-activated and risks being killed or knocked out before the armor can be called back. Also if the host is not fully regenerated then that provides a additional risk factor for the host in case the host loses consciousness before the armor can be called back. So a Guyver CAN bioboost again and be fully restored/recharged after having initially disengaged, the only drawback being that they may be vulnerable in between forms. I assume the host's stamina after disengaging the unit for a second time is another factor to be considered right? i.e. the host loosing consciousness or being physically spent/exhausted after bioboosting twice in a row? I mean, what was Sho's condition upon deactivating the unit after the instances you mentioned? Was he okay or was he overtaxed? Quote
*zeo Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Uh, nope... If you haven't been keeping up with the Manga this may be a *spoiler*... But Sho went on to rip the Gigantic back from Agito and then went Exceed... By the time he did finally de-activate he just walked away. So you can say the host Will power has a lot to do with it... Quote
Zoaknight Posted December 17, 2011 Author Posted December 17, 2011 Uh, nope... If you haven't been keeping up with the Manga this may be a *spoiler*...But Sho went on to rip the Gigantic back from Agito and then went Exceed... By the time he did finally de-activate he just walked away. So you can say the host Will power has a lot to do with it... Got it, thanks for reminding me, though I did remember how Sho beat Agito in a battle of wills and locked him out from the Gigantic & went Exceed. EPIC Sho is a pretty tough customer Quote
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