What would you do?

[Twilight-Guyver]

Alright here, we go folks I got a question that I don't think has been asked by anyone here yet, but I am sure it may have come up. So with me not knowing or knowing if this question has been asked or even mentioned here we go:

If Chronos was a real international company that did manage to take over the world what would you do? Would you resist them and try to find a way to stop them in any way you could? Would you lay low until you heard of Zeus' Thunderbolt and join them to be inadvertantly converted into a Libertus? Would you be a volunteer to be processed in to a zoanoid? Or would you just live your life?

Now if you say you want to be a volunteer, what zoanoid type would you try for? Would you train as hard as you could to become a hyper zoanoid or would you be willing to be a low class grunt?

Tackle this one folks. I'm sure there will be some good responses.

[warrior reaper]

well if cronos is real that means the unit g would be real so i would fight with every bit of power i have to avoid becoming a zoanode and lossing free will to the zoalords

[Twilight-Guyver]

Just try to stay away from any area you see the Gigantic Dark at work. You want to stay real far away from ground Zero when he takes anyone on.

Now if you join Zeus' Thunderbolt you have a good chance of fighting but not living too long to enjoy that freedom. So how do you fight without having a force to back up your fight for freedom?

[largo]

I would join Chronos in a heart beat and pledge my unwaving loyalty hopfully that would be enough to get me in to either a hyper zoanoid or proto-zoalord status. Because to be all honoest I'm the type to go work for the guy with the most power and dispite what the guyvers have Chronos still gots out gunned so I'd go with the clear winner.

[Sully]

The way Chronos took over, I'd still be probably going to the same crappy job I'm in now and praying the woman I'm about to date dosn't change into something ugly fecking Zoanoid when bedding her.... (well something other than what bear thends to do when you wake up the following morning).

[Twilight-Guyver]

It's hard to keep everything inperspective here for myself. On the one hand there are the guyvers. Sho being more the guy you want to fight with and hope will eventually show up and maybe even deliver you to safe place if you do decide to rebel.

Agito, being the enigmatic leader he is with a force consisting of humans and Libertus Zoanoids and hte infamous Griselda has the means to get his goal and has an offer you may not be able to refuse if you wish to resist Chronos on a large scale and actually get some where.

Chronos does offer a great deal though. Looking at the possibilities of being processed into a variety of different zoaforms to suit your fancy would be nice, but that process has never been delved into if you volunteer to be processed. You may not have that choice nad may just be converted into what they need at the time. And there is also the possibility that you could end up as a scientist aiding in research and development rather than being a soldier in the field.

I guess I would join Chronos and go through their rigorous training in hopes of becoming a hyper zoanoid. I guess I would I could get put in a similar situation as Murakami and possibly be used in a situation in zoalord form development , or an experimental type that would be used to combat the guyver a bit better than the enzyme types. Uisng me as a test subject I guess I could hope that I would keep some sort of longevity and maybe turn out to be a lost no. outside of zoalord control.

If this is just a pipe dream I think Zeus' Thunderbolt will do as my second option. Heck being a Libertus wouldn't be so bad if I decided to somehow get some info on the Enzyme IIIs to help with the development process.

[largo]

Wow you really thought this through I my self hadn't considered all those aspects but still my decision remains unchanged.

[Twilight-Guyver]

That's one of my problems sometimes I over think things and make them harder than what they should be. In this instance. Over thinking is not a problem because the aspects of the individual parties come into play greatly.

I try my best to think certain situations thoroughly through before I make a final decision. Sometimes a gift, sometimes a drag, meh.

[largo]

Hey I was just tring to go with the winning side.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Oh, I never said you chose wrong. You do what you wish and you live with your choice, just don't regret it. Like me If I were to join Chronos I wouldn't be pissed off dying at the hands of a guyver. I fought for what I believed (I would hope), and that would be it.

If I was a Libertus and knew what it entailed I would be fine with my choice and glad to hold the power to stop Chronos and hopefully free those close to me. Even though I would know that in time I would perish from the process that gave me such power I would know that before I went that I would have freedom from Chronos.

Hestitation and regret are both hinderances when it comes to war. There is no time for either of them and in this kind of situation you can't have them.

[NeoAptom5]

I would join Cronos.

Convensing them to recreate Aptom's unique power...

Either as a Ultra-Zoanoid still under the Zoalords control or as a Wildcard Zoanoid. A Special Anti-Renegade Agent...

Maybe try to Recreate the Unique Hybrid Zoanoid forms Aptom has used in the past.

Aptom Model 1 = Guyverish Zoanoid

Aptom Model 2 = Gregole/vamore/enzyme2 hybrid

Aptom Model 3 = Derzerb/Elegon/Gaster hybrid

Aptom Model 4 = Xector/Elegon hybrid (ignoring the missiles in shoulders)

Though of couse i'd love to be a NEO-Xector Model too. All 5 of the Hyper-Zoanoid Team 5 in 1 combat creature.

[Twilight-Guyver]

See there is always that problem with lost no. You can only do so much to a body beffore it become s a lost no. apparently. Like with Neo-Zektole, they gave him all the powers of team five and that ability to resist Aptoms ability and induce the virus into him. That amount of stress on the body caused not only the lost no. effect, but reduced his longevity. As for Aptom he's a one in a million that I doubt Balcus would ever place more time into creating a similar creature for the safety of Chronos. Then it would seem if the prcoess made yo ua lost no. you would be able to resist the commands of hte zoalods and be considered junk and possibly a liability leaving you with the option of having to run and try and survive which would be easy if you had the powers of either Aptom or Neo-Zektole. Guess you gotta hope you come out a perfect specimen rather than a "gone wrong guinea pig".

[Juggernought]

With chronos you have a sense of security. you're family have some level of safety and freedom to live out a pretty normal life. I would definately shoot for trying become some level of zoalord. Even if it is a proto-zoalord there is still room to improve and there is the added bonus of having more resources to look for a unit-g. Also if you're more sentimental you have more control over how they reat the rest of the human race.

[Twilight-Guyver]

I don't really think yo auvhe to worry about how Chronos is going to treat the rest of the human race. Think of them as any other organization, bad moves that can't be covered up easily are looked down upon and they lose faith among the masses thus losing this nice hold they have on society as it is. Just like with the guyvers in opposition, if anyone were to find out the true intentions of the guyvers then all would be lost and uprise would come.

Look at Krumeggnic, Cabrahl, and Jurvill right now, thye have caused a bit of trouble with their actions thus far, two reporters know that they are the ones that killed Purgstall and not the Guyver Gigantic. Since they are the only ones that know this bit of information, it is useless without proof to even try and deliver it to anyone within Chronos so that those three may be dealt their punishment. Sad to say that is just how the world works.

Hmmm, I guess I never did specify what terms of reality were at play here. When I say that I mean I never said if this was based on the warrior guyver universe or specifically the Yoshiki Takaya "Guyver". Either way I guess. Shooting for a zoalord would be nice but you ahve to think of what it truly entails. I mean you ahve to be a strong willed person apparently. They never really went over the criteria of becoming a zoalord but test bodies must be needed for each one right? If you ahd joined Chronos earlier on and been a test body for one of the zoalords you may have come out a little worse for wear. I guess going by Warrior Guyver standards you could easily take on any processing. It would seem a good a mount of people take to the Overlord and Protozoalord processes. I guess you never know what kind of abilities you would be gifted with. But you would think that if they have perfected the process that they woud create new styles of zoalords with varying abilities outside of the twelve for experimentation and possible use on the original twelve.

Man I'm rambling. I'm going to stop now.

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

For me, well, that's actually a bit difficult. Actually, no it's not. I'd do be damnedest to stay out of the conflict period. I'm a pacifist at heart. Granted, I know there are occasions you kind of have to go to war. I'm one of those who'll stay out of it until I'm forced to, me kicking, biting, fighting, and dragging my feet all the way. Like I said, I'm a bit of a pacifist at heart.

IF that were not a choice, it would heavily depend if we're talking canon, or the WG universe, or another all together. No, seriously, it really does make a difference.

For the WG universe, I suppose I would go against Chronos. Partially because of all the really interesting units are on the ACTF side (;m not saying which ones!). I'm not kidding, either. Granted, aiming to be Guyver might be a bit high, but still even then, there's the other armors to think about too. Plus somebody's got to engineer the damn things.

Canon, I would still try to maintain neutrality. But, if Chronos had sent out a notice requesting Proto-Zoalord or full Zoalord candidates, I'd jump on in a heartbeat. Their ideas may be good, but their implementation needs some serious work for me to willing jump before that.

Anything else, you'd have to give me a breakdown of the universe, and how the events differ from the canon.

Like I said, I'm a pacifist. But, I'll fight if I have to.

[Twilight-Guyver]

Pacifism, I think we can all agree with that. The need to fight back in the Takaya Guyver is little right now among normal people. I mean why would thye want to fight back, Chronos gives them protectio nand the promise of a brighter future through voluntary evolution or by merely living life as it is.

Warrior guyver on the other hand with the guyvers on a constant striking against Chronos people have more of a reason to want to resist anad join hte fight because they have the open mind to see that Chronos is not what it makes itself to be. The ACTF with it's guyver forces allows for a type of visual aid. People see truth when they want to. The truth that Chronos is merely using humanity as pawns at the will of Alkanphel becomes more apparent when the guyvers use their power to combat them.

But so far it seems a good majority of us would join Chronos at this very moment because we know how much power they are packing in both universes. Biological and scientific supremacy and a strangle hold that has only Gigantic Dark truly putting them on edge.

[Juggernought]

In any event it is obvious that Chronos has the larger picture at hand here. They percieve a threat coming from the Creaters therefore they are using whatever resources at hand to meet that threat. The guyvers in the mainstream stories or even in the WG universe would most likely have to use the technologies discovered by chronos IF they were to even win..People are just going against them because they percieve them as being the ultimate evil. However conflict is good, because with each encounter Chronos gets stronger and smarter as they find new ways of defending and attacking, so in a sense one can't exist without the other even tho neither of them think it to that extent.

[Twilight-Guyver]

I see what you're saying. It's the whole yin and yang philosophy. You can't have one without the other because with only on there is imbalance and chaos. Though the fighting between the two seems to cause chaos in itself but it is healty.

You are right though thatthe guyvers would need to adopt some of Chronos tech to even come close to fighting them. They have the gigantic to combat zoalords but their are a lot of zoalords and only on Gigantic. Zeus has been very smart and cunning. After all Agito is a poster boy of leadership. He holds the major keys; conviction, the look, intelligence and strength. Without these he wouldn't be able to command such a force as he has and he even convinced a Chronos scientist to aid him in his endeavors. Guyver one only has Aptom on his side and Hayami is no more now. Both guyvers have a zoanoid on their side, but Gigantic Dark has a small army and Griselda.

It's crazy to see that Chronos has the upper hand with Gigantic Dark following suit and Guyver I with litle to nothing to stand on besides his unit and with enough will the Gigantic and Aptom.

[warrior reaper]

there is no clear victor on ether hand and to get an advantige each side would be ruthless witch is why fighting on ones on may be best if you have the power to do so

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

In any event it is obvious that Chronos has the larger picture at hand here. They percieve a threat coming from the Creaters therefore they are using whatever resources at hand to meet that threat.

Heh, yeah, it does appear they're getting ready to take the war to space. (cue Star Wars Theme)

I see what you're saying. It's the whole yin and yang philosophy. You can't have one without the other because with only on there is imbalance and chaos. Though the fighting between the two seems to cause chaos in itself but it is healty.

Well, and it's not just that either. I mean, it's not even entirely about that. I mean, exactly what is "good"? What exactly is "evil"? For the most part, it's perspective. I mean, yeah, there are some generally accepted things that are labeled "evil" or "good". But, even then, it's not entirely correct. Also, there are no absolutes. There is never a clear cut line on these things either. In some ways, what Makishima's doing could be considered "evil". Yeah, Chronos does have the right picture, clear cut and everything, but their methods leave something to be desired in terms of enlistment. It's more of a "draft" and "re-education" even if some of it is voluntary. On the flip side, Sho doesn't necessarily understand everything that will happen in the long run, he does have an idea of how to get what he wants. Again, not everything is clear cut, and not everything is flat out naked for everyone to see either. Also, on some level, you would have to think that revenge would be part of Alkanphel's agenda against the Creators too. Expecially for all intents and purposes, they kind left him there to rot.

Think about it this way: "An island looks different from different angles, yet there are still things unseen from afar." But even then, you can't get too close either. You have to have an idea of the whole picture, but still be concerned over everyone's health to a degree. What that degree is is difficult to know.

The situation is a bit hazy from all angles anyways. Right now in the WG Universe, there is an incredibly delicate balance of the forces on Earth. The canon verse is a little bit more clear, but not by much. And aside from that, you don't really know what will happen next. You might think you know, but you don't really know, do you?

To some degree it comes down to picking either little freedom, but insurance that no one is poor, or complete freedom (anarchy) and no assurance that you aren't going to be poor.

But you star tossing in the other variables, and things get very difficult to decide, very quickly.

But, and also, I meant to address this before, but Chronos isn't just another company. Not in the slightest. When you seiously begin to think about it, in the canon, there are two major players: Chronos being the biggest, and then Zeus Thunderbolt. In the WG: Chronos followed by the ACTF and its different jurisdictions (I'm lumping in the Canadian division in it too along with the old EDF), and finally on a relatively tiny scale, everyone else who fights (ie the Rogues). As the top player, Chronos can't pretend to be just another company, It's all ready passed X-Day. It's too late for subtleties and stealth. Now you have to begin to pull out the big guns. And I mean it literally and figuratively. You can't simply win a war by sitting on your ass. Pretending in war won't get you anywhere except dead.

The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his. ~George Patton

You can't simply choose a side. There are, after all, effects that will cascade from your decision. And really, in the conflict, there really isn't a right or wrong side, if you look objectively.

[Twilight-Guyver]

See that's a good way of looking at it. Everyone has their own reasons for doing what they do it is our own individual minds that determine for ourselves what is right and what is wrong. To Agito, his style of leading to get what he wants is fine. He knows what has to be sacrificed to get there and he is willingto do what it takes. It may seem immoral to some but to gain power you must have teh ability to shrug off certain aspects of yourself to get where you ultimately want to be.

Alkanphel seems to be beant on revenge. His parents left him and his soldiers for dead. They wanted nothing else to with them and cast them off without hesitation. He wants answers, he wants the love that he was denied and he wants to fulfill his goal that was given to him all those years ago and he is doing it all to any affect. He cares not about the means, as long as his goal is acquired. In many ways he and Agito are a lot a like. Just take a look and you'll see the similarities.

As for Sho, it's like Agito said in the anime. He lead a pretty normal life before he got caught up in all this and he is merely fighting to regain that. He wants everything to go back to how it was and wants to protect his friends at any cost so they can bask in hte same normalcy that he acquires from his batles.

You know the reasons for the actions taken, so can you blame them for doing what they do to get to the final goal? I can't I don't see any side as evil they are merely going about the path they chose to find what they do not have. Thus is the way of life.

[Thunder Demon1472669266]

Alkanphel seems to be beant on revenge. His parents left him and his soldiers for dead. They wanted nothing else to with them and cast them off without hesitation. He wants answers, he wants the love that he was denied and he wants to fulfill his goal that was given to him all those years ago and he is doing it all to any affect.

Somehow, I highly doubt that he getting a wife and getting laid would do much in the way to correct that. Even if they were to come and dote on him, two and a half million years is a bit of a long time to stew and hate would have definitely cemented itself by then.

Then again, I'm no psychological expert, nor do I pretend to be.

However, for Sho, just by getting involved with the Guyver means that nothing will ever be the same. Nor would it be wise to dream or pretend it will be. Keepin your mind on the "what ifs" of life will do you no good, nor will pretending like you're a small child pretending to be dinosaurs, or a princess or a knight. It may seem cruel to say that, but it is in fact, a fact. On the upside, at least his enterance onto the stage with Chronos, meant that he in effect by just bonding to the armor, ended Guyot's plans to bond with the Guyver himself.

Even if Sho hadn't gotten involved, by no means does that mean things would have been better. Indeed, it probably was fortunate that he did get involved. He and others like him (and I'm not really counting Agito on this as his motivations are slightly...darker in nature) will fight for freedom, and for the right to choose. Not just between the big things, but the small mundane things as well.

Others, like Guyot, or even Alkanphel, will fight merely for power and to maintain that power. Much lies within the perspective we look at things. From many points of view, we can get a clearer picture, but by no means does that mean we will get in its entirety.

And no, one couldn't really blame one for trying to reach their goal by the means they do, though there are sometimes other paths that are less self-destructive. But, if events like what happened to Sho, can one really go back to how things were before? And given EVERYTHING that has happened, I highly doubt that. If he survives until the end, that is.

[NeoAptom5]

As i said earlier.

I'd volenteer for the chance to make Hybrid Hyper-Zoanoids models.

Aptom Form 2 (gregole, vamore, enyzme2) Give it its own name : Grenyzore or something Hybrid Hyper model #1

Aptom Form 4 (Derzerb, Elegon, Gaster) give it its own name : Elerzter Hybrid Hyper model #2

Aptom form 5 (Xectole, Elegon) give it its own name : Xectegon Hybrid Hyper model #3

Neo-Xectole (Xectore, Gaster, Thancrus, Derzerb, Elegon) give it a new name Hybrid Hyper model #4.

Work up a few more Hybrid models too.

Zerebuthus is almost a Hybrid model already.

I just seen disk 2 of the new Guyver Anime tv series. Wow.

Noskov was pretty cool.

Powered Zerebuth was cool too.

Guyver 2 and Guyver 3 badness...very cool.

Guyver 2 should never have been "killed". He needs to return at some point kind like Guyver 1 did.

Murikomi introduced at the last few seconds, wow. sweet.

Myself from what i know of the mangas/animes.

The Hybrid Atom forms and Protozoalord forms have interested me the most besides the Guyver Themselves of course.

It would be cool if Chronos used a few guyver cell samples to make a new Zoanoid/Hyperzoanoid from. It might turn out very Protozoalord like though. One with a Long Lifespan though.