A few things

[McAvoy]

Just a few questions.

1. With the Genesis Project, what was Solom trying to do? I mean the Gigantic Guyver was a Guyver influenced effect. So the Genesis I suppose was supposed to be a real power upgrade though unfinished. But Agito was able to complete it by making it into a Gigantic-like upgrade.

2. I assume that the Genesis Project was completed in the WG2 universe. So what do you suppose it was? I think it was answer to the Black Nova upgrade since the WG prototype had to fight it to win the Project.

3. In the WG2 universe, it was always assumed that the Warrior Guyver's unit was the prototype. But what we have learned later is that the prototype is just a mass produced model type like the Type 2.

4. What do you think a Matrix enhanced WG2 unit would be like? I think the CPMs would be upgraded for a boost of 1,000 men instead of 400 men.

[*zeo]

Well you pretty much answered most of it with the comparison to Dark Nova, which you would note is not a Gigantic Upgrade but rather a perminent unit redesign.

Note the similarity between how Black Nova got upgraded into Dark Nova and how a Kavzar gets upgraded into a Kavzar Commander.

Project Genesis intended something similar but Agito, with access to Solom's knowledge changed it to produce the Zeus armor instead. After all he may have had Solom's knowledge but he didn't have Solom's intelligence so did the best he could with what he had.

In the WG2 universe Project Genesis wasn't completed because Solom won the Warrior Project and instead applied his knowledge into applying the technology into producing the WK's.

As for the Matrix, it could do different things to a WG2. Simply enhancing the CPM's is only one possibility.

Edited February 17, 2006 by Guest

[largo]

Yah, I agree with Zeo about the Genesis project but it would be way cool to see a WG2 version of Dreadnought.

[*zeo]

What makes you think it would be any different?

[largo]

Not so much on power but design. WG2 has a cooler look then WG and I can only guess how cool he would look as Gigantic.

[McAvoy]

I would think the Genesis Project would have been finished in the WG2 universe. Remember Solom actually was working on it at the same time he was working on the Prototype in the WG universe. So naturally in the WG2 universe, he would have finished it. In fact I would think that the Dark Nova upgrade was completed in the WG2 universe as well. In fact I would think the Genesis Project might have been a upgrade like the Dark Nova upgrade. It was just it's unfinished state that made it into the Zeus unit.

Personally I think if the CPM's were upgraded by the Matrix it would allow it to be used as a Power Boost like Dreadnought but for a shorter time, but he can use it at any time he wants without any power overloads. I mean obviously a WG2 Dreadnought would have the same abilities that a Matrix would give him. But something unique to the unit such as the CPMs would make it far more efficient.

At the base a Gigantic MWG2 would be like Dreadnought at 25x. Even if the GMWG2 power boosted, he would have a similar power level.

[*zeo]

I would think the Genesis Project would have been finished in the WG2 universe. Remember Solom actually was working on it at the same time he was working on the Prototype in the WG universe. So naturally in the WG2 universe, he would have finished it. In fact I would think that the Dark Nova upgrade was completed in the WG2 universe as well. In fact I would think the Genesis Project might have been a upgrade like the Dark Nova upgrade. It was just it's unfinished state that made it into the Zeus unit.

No, you misunderstand why Solom was working on the Genesis Project. It was only in preparation of an escalation of the competition between the different project heads.

He was working on a new way to redesign a unit quickly without having to induce mutations over time, which is why it was called Genesis, but it was far from finished and in the WG2 universe Solom won out early on so there was no need to complete the Genesis Project when the final product was already ready.

The technology of that facility was instead used to help develop the Warrior Kavzars, allowing Solom to quickly adapt the warrior tech to the Kavzar biology. So it's application toward a WG unit was never completed.

Note also that the Dark Nova upgrade only existed in the Strange World Universe because the projects competed longer in that reality. It doesn't exist in either the WG or WG2 realities.

Basically the Genesis Project was only at the stage of developing the equipment needed to process and alter a unit. An actual design was never completed.

So Agito had no template to work with when he Created Zeus. He only knew it was possible and created something according to his understanding of the technology.

As for WG2 version of Dreadnought, the existing Dreadnought already has abilities similar to the WG2 CPM's so a WG2 version of Dreadnought would essentially have the same abilities.

[McAvoy]

But with a WG2 Dreadnought, he wouldn't have the gravity shield which the abilities that Dreadnought has involving the gravity shield would not be present. As such, a WG2 relies entirely on a CPM shield to defend himself which is only for a single direction. Whereas a WG1 has a omni directional shield.

I think the WG2 Dreadnought (a good name for him would be Juggernaught) would be far more offensively stronger whereas Dreadnought is more defensive. Look at it this way: Dreadnought is the German Battlecruiser Scharnhorst which is armed with 11" guns, with a 30+ knot speed and battleship armor. The WG2 Dreadnought would be the HMS Hood armed with 15" guns, with a 30+ knot speed and battlecruiser armor.

[*zeo]

Nice comparisons, I like the analogies and Juggernaught would be a good name if a WG2 version of Dreadnought was ever to happen.

But, sorry there's a "but" here, you're forgetting that the Matrix provides a big tech advantage and that both units are essentially based off the same technology to begin with.

For example the Matrix has given WG WG2 like abilities with the Power Wave and Power boost capabilities. Similarly a Matrix enhanced WG2 would gain better shields.

At the very least the Gigantic itself would provide an Omni-Shield just like a normal Gigantic.

So the units wouldn't be limited to just the abilities they had before bonding to a Matrix.

Basically it evens out. WG2 might still have some slight offensive advantages while WG has some similarly slight defensive advantages but the Matrix would be applying the same enhancements to both so the differences would become negligible.

Essentially it would be applying the same technology to two Units resulting in them becoming more similar, not staying different.

Any real differences would then be from the host and how they use the power they are given.

Since WG2 and WG are both used to fighting a certain way your comparison would work in how they fight but the matrix allows both to emulate the abilities of the other otherwise.

However, that said a Warrior Gigantic WG2 combination without the Matrix would retain more of the Unit's specialization. And the Warrior Gigantic would be able to enhance the abilities of the CPM since the Gigantic is capable of adapting to the unit it bonds to just like a normal Gigantic can adapt itself between different host units and alter its appearance and function accordingly.

The Warrior Gigantic also gives a limited Power Wave capability which the WG2 unit can take better advantage of than a WG could.

Not to mention it is a lot more likely to happen since we have already shown it is possible to share the Warrior Gigantic as has been shown with Valkyrie (WG F-WG).

[Juggernought]

Heh unlikely we'll get to see the gigantic versions of the other warriorguyvers...i think jason would rather be blown to hell a million times than to see his unit upgrade on the likes of steven.

[*zeo]

"No Comment"

[McAvoy]

Not really. A Gigantic WG2 would be a good match for Matrix Warrior Guyver. They're roughly the same power level. The only difference would be the Matrix. It's not like the power gap between WG and WG2 in the early fic.

I know the units are basically the same technology just applied differently. I was just hoping for not a copy of Dreadnought...

Interesting on how a Gigantic WG2 would differ from Valkryie...

[*zeo]

Well there is always Jason's code of honor going for it. . . If he ever wanted to have a fair fight between himself and Stephen then that would be his only option.

Alternatively it could be Fiona who gives him the unit if she has it and can't contact Jason for some reason and WG2 is the closest otherwise.

As for Dreadnought, the thing to remember is the Matrix is far more advance than either unit. So the Matrix's technology essentially takes over when it bonds to the unit.

Meaning Dreadnought is really a WG version of the Matrix more than he is a Matrix enhanced WG. So it wouldn't matter which type of warrior unit the Matrix bonded to since it would be the Matrix tech running it.

The only differences would be in how the host uses the power given them and how they would appear for the same reason GG1 and GG3 don't look a like.

Now the Warrior Gigantic by itself is just a Warrior tech version of the Gigantic, which is in the same technological level as the WG units themselves. So they would retain their specialization if they use the Warrior Gigantic without the Matrix.

Essentially meaning each of the remaining none Matrix WG's would each demonstrate a Gigantic version of their present abilities.

[McAvoy]

Well for a Gigantic WG2 he would be 12x normally with a max of 16x. He woudl probably have 5 kt shields with the CPM max of 7 kt. The Hyper Smashers would be 10x with a max. of 12x. This is an esimate off the older stats. Because obviously a Gigantic Warrior Guyver would have giga smashers more powerful than your average 100x figure.

The way I see it, is that the CPMs which give WG2 an advatage over someone in his own power level, would be small in comparison.

[Juggernought]

Do you think that is necessarily a weakness in jason? He always has a code of honor in all of his fights, i think that is one of the main reasons he has yet to realize his full potential.

[McAvoy]

It's not his weakness. His real weakness is basically his humanity. His unwillingness to become anything but a human at his core. I mean all it would take for him to become Zagam would let the Matrix make him a zoaform. But that's also a code of honor as well. Because his pure hatred towards Alkanphel allows him to fight him on even terms instead of fighting him as a Guyver Zoalord-level power.

Besides, he doesn't really need that firepower anyway. So far he has been shown to fight two beings within his own power level at the same time.