Guest Posted December 9, 2003 Posted December 9, 2003 Okay some of you may not agree with me but personally I think Id from Xenogears is much more evil than Sephiroth. Why? 1. He destroys his hometown without any remorse. 2. He destroyed the countries of Elru and Solaris (granted Solaris deserved it). 3. He nearly Killed poor Elly. If not for Fei, Id would have killed her. I mean really Sephiroth may be bad but he isn't nearly as bad as Id. Quote
Kaiser Dragoon Posted December 9, 2003 Posted December 9, 2003 (edited) Nah Sephiroth is the be all and end all of villians, why? I leave that open to everyone else to answer... *Edit* Ok c'mon its Sephy, this guy sparked a mainstream of bad guys based off of our lanky looking silver haired dude. He is the most evil because he brought about the new generation of baddies we see today. Besides, Sephiroth was brutal to no end in 7 after he snapped, and when he snapped it made a big echo throughout the game. Besides what good is a bad guy anyway when they aren't arrogant, that Sephiroth had in spades Edited December 11, 2003 by Guest Quote
Matt Bellamy Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 Neither... Id - evil side of someone, unlocks true powers of Fei. Powerful. Reasons - Well... other than beign the evil side of Fei... not much... Sephiroth - one time good guy, went bad, becomes Godly Reasons - destroy the planet that wronged him. Kefka - always been a lunatic, then becomes Godly. Reasons - Death, Destruction and power hungry. Nothing more, nothing less. And even then, I know there are more evil villians out there. Sephiroth is by FAR, not the most evil. Quote
omegaling Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 I liked Sephiroth for his character because of the good-guy to bad thing. It makes his whole cause more ironic. Here we have a guy who is world-renowned as the best SOLDIER ever known, and then in a flash of insanity and fire, becomes feared and loathed by the very same people who looked up to him. Just because a villain was formaly good does not mean it makes them a weaker villain. Look at Agito and Murakami, for example. Once good (in a sense), but they're both turning around to be pretty bad villains (but in a good way). When it comes to being evil, though, I think Seymour wins over Sephiroth. I loved how you could see him getting progressivly more insane as the game went along, and the fact that he was supposed to be this really morally good person really put an emphasis on the whole situation. Besides, wanting to become a giant frog-fish thing to destory the world and end all sadness and death is a pretty diabolical plot. Et tu, End of Evangelion? I'm not saying he's more evil than Kefka, mostly because I don't know much of Kefka's character as of now except for what people have told me. But, I really can't say who the "best" is. I haven't played VI yet, but from VII up, all the villains had their own strong points. Kuja had the poetic genius thing going, and Edea had the whole "I don't care who I kill to get my way" bit (sound familiar?). I wish Edea was a villain longer, Ultimacia just didn't do anything for me as a final boss. Ugh, and Nemesis from IX! Where the hell did HE come from? So yeah, there's my two sense on the whole Final Fantasy villain situation. Being I've only been into the gaming thing for about two years (Final Fantasy VIII was the first game I ever played and beat), I don't have a lot to say about villains from any other games, but from what I hear, most of them are pretty two-dimensional. As far as classical villains go, Gannon and Bowser win that catagory. I don't know who this Id guy is or even where he's from, so I really don't have anything to say about that. Quote
Matt Bellamy Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 I would agree Now, however, if it were the "BEST" Villian, Sephiroth jumps up my personal list. Like Omega said, that " Good guy to Bad Guy" plot with him, was great. Especially how ( again, as she pointed out) he was the worlds most famous hero, who suddenly learned the truth, and went evil. A very well done villian. Is he the most evil? No. Is he damn cool, and well done? Hell yeah Same with ID... Although ID wasn't the main badguy of Xenogears anyway... ID was the reverse character personality of Fei, and since Fei, was truamatised into becoming a peace loving martial artist, ID, is a violence and chaos loving being. ID was pretty badass, taking on Mecha in human form, and raising the Yggdrasil over his head in Alpha Weltall, without even really touching it. But again, not really evil, or a Psychopath. He was just living Chaos, that knew nothing else. ( Remember what happens before Weltall becomes "Xenogears" ) Quote
Guest Posted December 10, 2003 Posted December 10, 2003 I know all about what happend after weltall2 turned into Xenogears. And as you said ID is a chaos and violence loving character. However I have never seen sephy sink to the levels of depravity that ID has. True Sephy also destroyed towns and atempted to destroy the planet. But if Feis friends and his dad hadn't appeared then ID would have destroyed the planet (and all he needed was Xenogears inorder to focus his power to destroy the planet), though Id never got the chance to implement his plan given the chance he would have gone through it. It should also be noted that Id was created as a result of years of tourturous medical experiments. While Sephy just flipped because he couldn't take the truth about his existence. As you have probably gathered by now I am a fanatical Xenogears Fan and Xenosaga fan. Oh and by the way Albedo is also one twisted bastard more so then Sephy. Then again that is my own opinion I could be wrong. However anyone who hasn't seen at least three minutes of Albedo in action has no basis for saying he isn't more twisted than Sephy. Quote
nidhogg Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 In my opinion Seph's still the worst. reason- he appears in multiple games and is insanely hard to beat. he can control others and is trapped in giant chunk of materia and is wreaking the world. I don't think Id can hold a torch to that. Quote
Guest Posted June 15, 2004 Posted June 15, 2004 Seph's cool alrite but Doomsday is more evil then him. And yea doomsday does come in the games discussion cauz hez been in the supes game. Quote
Guest Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 I think the reason seph's is so popular is mainly due to the hype that is usually given to final fantasy games, i mean c'mon every single final fantasy games since 4 has had an american commerical, i know they have for commercials for a lot of games now...but definatly not when FF 7 was out. Besides the base popularity of the FF series most people consider him the most evil cause he was probably 1 of the cooler characters in the FF series, i mean when u think FF u think of sephy automatically. But Xenogears and id on the other hand, not that much hype on it but when it came out people considered it 2 be one of the greater RPGs ever made, which i agree 2, just based on the story alone which was addicting, same with Xenosaga......but yeah im ventureing more with albedo and id kuz their were just more screwed up in the head, 1 was pure chaos and knew nothing else, and the other just killed and caused pain for the mere enjoyment purposes of it. Quote
*Jess♥ Posted June 16, 2004 Posted June 16, 2004 Bad guys are seen as more evil based on how much they make you hate them! In that case the highest on my list would have to be Kefka. then very close after him it is sephiroth and them luca blight(suikoden 2). reason being, i liked them to start off with and then they did something that was totally twisted and turned my world upside down. Evil is subjective so this can't really be argued effectively but yeah most of these guys are pretty nasty! Quote
Guest Posted June 17, 2004 Posted June 17, 2004 Well I like seph. better then ID. But if you have to have who i think is the most evil, i cant really choose. there are so many greta baddies. But the most evil are the ones that do all there evil LEAGALLY!!!!! Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 I'm with Matt, neither of them is that evil, Cefca is one of the most evil baddies I've ever met in a video game and let's not forget Zophar of Lunar2. O.K. he is not really a charismatic evil, because you don't see him throughout the game, but he destroyed a world and nearly destroys Lunar(the planet), has some really evil plan going on involving a goddess and is one of the toughest final bosses I've ever fought.. The bad guys from StarOcean2 are also really wicked and you don't even know them through the first half of the game... Quote
Guest Posted July 13, 2004 Posted July 13, 2004 Maybe not the most evil, but Seph is the best video game villain! It's the story! Squaresoft are geniuses. I just love his descent into insanity, that was magnificuent writing there. Out of blindrage he then destroys Nibelheim. Then, a few years later, he attempts to and almost destroys the earth, taking out his rage and hatred on it. He wasn't driven by money or power, just raw emotion. Kuja in FFIX was similar, once he found out he was going to die, he lost his sense of invincibility and wanted to take everyone with him. Quote
Guest Posted July 18, 2004 Posted July 18, 2004 Id? Seph? Nope, Krelian and Graft. Both have a similar approach to Seph but both are more developed as Xenogears is overall a game that has a more complex story. Quote
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