What If . . . ?

[Guest]

Alright, I'm not sure if this will fit in with Guyver Genetic Manipulation, but here is a question for you guys who may have a clue to it's answer. Say that a person of obese weight were to bond to a guyver unit? Would said persons weight and mass be slimmed to make him or her a more suitable host? Or would genetic manipulation come into play and rearrange host DNA to compensate and eliviate hose of this fatal flaw?

[Guest]

Alright, I'm not sure if this will fit in with Guyver Genetic Manipulation, but here is a question for you guys who may have a clue to it's answer. Say that a person of obese weight were to bond to a guyver unit? Would said persons weight and mass be slimmed to make him or her a more suitable host? Or would genetic manipulation come into play and rearrange host DNA to compensate and eliviate hose of this fatal flaw?

Honestly, I don't believe it would fall under Genetic manipulation. However, suppose for instance it were a genetic matter, where the Host was obese due to certain genes; If we look in the Guyver series, be it anime or manga, you'll notice that Weight and Mass do not affect performance (i.e. - Enzyme's 1 and 2's weight/mass in ratio to their speed, which came pretty close to matching Sho's in his Guyver form).

I will say, due to the fact the Boost Armor provides extra organs amongst other things, and taking into consideration that the energy required for many of its systems is rather large, even if the base source comes from the Host - this constant usage of energy would logically make good use of the fats in one's body, and eventually slim the Host. I don't suspect Yoshiki-sensei would have explained this, but its not much of a biological solution as it is a logical one. I'm certain if Tetsuro had received the Unit-G instead, eventually he would slim and tone himself.

However, a plausible reason why this is topic would not be considered significant to Yoshiki-sensei, is that obese hero's are not exactly considered to be best-sellers when it comes time to showing your boss the characters you've created. Although, nice question.

[Guest]

True an obese hero is not what people want to see, all the more reason to have such a twist in a story fat nerd + guyver unit = slimmed down hero with power. No one would see that coming. But that has been done before, at least with the deformed nerd thing, within Marvel (Reference to Slingers. Hornet). But that's another topic.

Though I will say that your theory on it holds much truth. The energy needed from the host body to make use of certain weapons is high and thus the fatty cells that are roving about the host body would be burned off by use of mega smasher and then all the movement and intense action that a guyver is put through in battle. In all I believe you are correct in this matter that gene manipulation plays no role in this, and is simply based on energy conservation by unit.

[Guest]

I don't think the fat will go away. A female guyver still has breasts, so I'll say it's the same scenario.

It's true that a human guyver can become exausted. Remember though, the unit's power comes from the gravity controller siphoning energy from the Boost Dimension, then feeding it from the host (through). That's the current working idea anyway.

I'm tired, and just trying to catch up on all my reading before a good warm shower. Just got back from camping this weekend, and had a 20Km hike through the RockyMountains today.

(slight edit to add in further:)

Takaya also says that digestion can not occur while boosted. All 'unnessary' organs are digressed so that they don't get in the way. The only things that aren't really digressed are bones, muscle, and nervous system. This has two sides to it. It meens that it can't eat the fat... but if the armor considers it in a certain way, it might digress it. Like breasts though, I think it'll leave it alone.

[Zeus Thunderbolt]

I think that the fat will probably be burned off as the user uses the guyver unit, and as you may know that the guyvers revert the user to what they looked like the first time they used the guyver. So, the user may still be fat when in human form and could slim off as a Guyver. But then again, the Guyver could keep the fat off the user to make them more capable to fight. And for the female guyver's, I dont see that their boobs would be made super small because of the guyver eating up the fat. Its not all fat in the boobs, it probably just make them a lil bit smaller.

[Sully]

I think the Guyver is not designed to change the host too much. E.G. Hair still grows. Using the Guyver takes allot out of the host. Been fat and having a Guyver would mean weight loss from fighting and doing stuff as a Guyver. Scaring is very different to weight loss in biological terms.

[*zeo]

I don't think the fat will go away. A female guyver still has breasts, so I'll say it's the same scenario. - I'm tired, and just trying to catch up on all my reading before a good warm shower. Just got back from camping this weekend, and had a 20Km hike through the RockyMountains today.

Sorry but you must be tired if you're comparing excess body fat to women's breasts YoungGuyver. You're comparing an outcome of over eating to biological design.

Anyway, I think everyone should also consider the factor of the unit itself. It's not like it just goes on top of the host, the unit does become part of the host when joined and will at the very least make the host healthier than normal as the unit's organism should also be factored in. That can easily fix metabolism inconsistencies that normally are responsible for obesity so I believe the host would eventually gain a healthier physical shape.

[Guest]

I still need some sleep, but I'm a bit better than I was before.

The Guyver replaces all the inferior equipment (of the host) with it's own version. The host's equipment is digressed to get it out of the way. Breasts don't do anything, yet the're still there. I'm assuming that since the're not in the way the're left alone. That is why I think it is the same as fat. I don't think the fat gets in the way of any living process.

To flip this around, I don't think the Guyver makes use of the fat for energy because of what Takaya said about digestion. A Guyver is incapable of digesting food while boosted. If a host can't add any nutrients into it's blood stream this way, why would it use the 'biological backup' of fat? That's why I don't think the fat can be burned off for energy while boosted... because Takaya has already said the primary human energy intake (eating/digestion) is taken off line while boosted.

Did I phrase that better this time?

We must also remember that a Unit-G boosts a host based on the host's charactoristics. A muscular host will have more muscle power. An agile host will naturally use better agility. A host with great bulk/mass will have greater momentum behind every punch and kick (a fatter host might deliver a more unstoppable punch). The extra fat can also act as it already does, an improved layer of armor/cushioning.

We should be careful to not let Hollywood glamor dictate what our heroes look like. Some of the great ones have an extra few pounds. Or shall we discriminate against them because we don't like what we see in the mirror (personally, I like Pandas, and their fat too)

[*zeo]

The Guyver makes the same use of a female host as it does a male host, the chest plates become Mega Smashers for both. Only the shape is retained as it is part of the characteristics of the host. It would only be logical for the unit to interfer only if there is some characteristic of the host that would be in the way, otherwise it will not alter the host more than necessary for bonding.

As for not using up fat, stopping the digestion process would not stop the use of body fat. The use of fat is a distributed system seperate from the digestion process. Only the acquisition of some forms of fate is connected to the digestion process. Our bodies also produces fat as it is vital to the proper functioning of our bodies, from our brains down to every one of the cells that make up our body. We wouldn't need to eat to restore our fat reserves though as long as enough energy is provided to our cells then they will make their own as needed. But then it will fall under the domain of the Unit since it will be providing the needed energy and thus the host goes under the regulatory system of the unit which is far more efficient than our own.

The only reason there are so many fat people today is because the human race has not evolved fast enough to deal with changes in our living conditions. We are after all not very different from our ancient ancestors so our metabolism is set to deal with period of famine but now most of us have access to more food than we would ever need so of course many of us have become fat.

So I stand by my previously stated opinion. Obesity is after all a result of metabolic inefficiencies and I can see many ways and reasons for the end result of joining with a unit being a healthier host. This has nothing to do with Hollywood glamore, just logic. Also I never said the host would become a prime human specimen, just healthier, due to a more efficient metabolism.

[Guest]

With that first paragraph, aren't we saying the same thing? I don't think we're really arguing there.

I can't really argue this fat thing much more. I think we'll have to leave it up to a matter of opinion.

Personally, I'd save this as an enhancment for a fic unit. It would also be interesting for the creators to intentionally not let the unit tamper with any of the hosts biology (such as scars), as it may interfere with a hosts natural life. I'm suggesting a story of creator culture... how 'once every seven years' a creator male will become so hormone engulfed that he will make a pilgramage back to his mating grounds. During his journy, he will essentially be so pumped full of hormones that his mind will be savage and animal like. Scavaging for food will be so difficult that he'll rely on his fat supply to keep him alive. A life or death struggle. All for the purpose of breeding (it snowed on the way to work this morning, I got imaginative).

What other biological energy sources do you think the unit will enhance to tap more power out of?

[TheGuyversWill]

-raises his hand rather slowly-

-interjects-

I dont know about you guys, But have you ever seen the female Guyver stuff? Ever seen that anime with her in it? Ever seen the pictures made of her? Can anyone say Hentai?

Why are we going to base our opinions of what the Guyver would do to a female host, if the sources they are derived from, got better reviews from the perverts within the market, rather than the serious anime watchers.

My point is, you shouldnt use this as a basis of discussion, considering the fact that this is merely Guyver porn, and nothing else. the animation sucked, the story was beyond ridiculous, and the main points of the plot involved a naked valcura

[*zeo]

Actually I don't think either me or YoungGuyver were thinking of her outside of an example of appearance.

As for the arguement, we are not really saying the same thing YoungGuyver. You're over simplifying a bit there. The main point of discussion is the effect the Guyver would have on biological excess caused not by design but by our environment/lifestyle. But I would have to agree, there isn't much else to say on the matter.

[Sully]

Some of you have either forgot or never bothered to go to Biology classes. There is more than one kind of fat. But basically it can be divided into two kinds (you want to know more then look the thing up, its been 14 years since I was forced to learn this and I'm not going through this in detail).

1. Fat Stores = This is where your body stores fat so for energy needed later. This is the kind of stuff that the Bio-Armour itself can feed on as it is meant too if you think about it. The armour is designed to Bio-Boost the host. To say it does not feed on the natural energy resources of the host is just plain silly.

2. Needed Fat = Yes ignore those strange people that say all fat is bad. Your body uses it to protect organs. Namely the Kidney's. Which are surrounded by fat, and from what I remember no diet can be aimed at reducing that kind of fat. Let see when thinking up the Bio-Armour Takaya would design it to remove protection from the host.... Nope I do not think so as Takaya clearly shows that he passed or at least read a few Biology books.

Next a woman's breast is more than just fat. Would it be reduced is size? Yes because alot of it fat. Could you base this on the movie? Let's face it the art style of OVA was not that great and only the Data File book from Takaya would be right.

But for all of you remember this. When a Host is done fighting after a long hard battle what normally happens to him/her? That's right they sleep or rest for ages.... All that lost energy has to come from somewhere. And I've yet to see a Guyver with a weight problem.