tekkaman and guyver merge technology

[Guest neon medal]

just a thought really about how a merged or combined technology of the radium and creator tekkaman and Guyver on a human.

as from what i understand a person in a tekkapod undergoes a transformation that brings them to a near perfect form making them stronger than a normal human while not transformed. while when a Guyver makes the changes when they transform, then the armour for the tekkaman is longer to repair and a fewer weapons than a Guyver which isn't as tough but can regenerate faster than the tekka-armour then the weapons ar more and as powerful.

so what would the combined be like, more powerful mega-smashers as they are combined with the main weapons of the tekkaman and so one?

that and would the tekka-crystal combine/merge with the CM and stay with it plus enhance its power and such?

its just a thought as i am sure i have seen a idea of one some where but wanted my self to understand if it would be greater than say a WG or most g-units ad such?

[Guest Ashura]

just a thought really about how a merged or combined technology of the radium and creator tekkaman and Guyver on a human.

as from what i understand a person in a tekkapod undergoes a transformation that brings them to a near perfect form making them stronger than a normal human while not transformed. while when a Guyver makes the changes when they transform, then the armour for the tekkaman is longer to repair and a fewer weapons than a Guyver which isn't as tough but can regenerate faster than the tekka-armour then the weapons ar more and as powerful.

so what would the combined be like, more powerful mega-smashers as they are combined with the main weapons of the tekkaman and so one?

that and would the tekka-crystal combine/merge with the CM and stay with it plus enhance its power and such?

its just a thought as i am sure i have seen a idea of one some where but wanted my self to understand if it would be greater than say a WG or most g-units ad such?

Ah..a question I'd most gladly love to take a shot at!

A few years ago, Will (William White III of Guyver Strike Force, I think he's an admin on another Guyver site or board or something) and I discussed this way back, after a roleplay battle between a Tekkaman character I was playing and a Guyver that he (or his friend) was playing. Its on the GSF site, to my surprise. Anyway...the catch was since the symbiote (Guyver) would regenerate wounds, etc.... so in a sense it could possibly detect anything wrong with a Host and cleanse it. In example: A host has cancer, the symbiote destroys the cancer through genetic engineering during the bonding process.

A Radam spore pod/Radam plant does increase a normal human's base stats BUT it is a grueling process and not everyone makes it out 100%... For example in the Tekkaman Blade II series, the Tekk-soldiers were incomplete. Although powerful in their own right, they weren't any match for a single Tekkaman head-on. However in great numbers, its a different story perhaps.

So the question was whether or not a Guyver 'symbiote' if I may call it that, would detect the Tek system box (the crystal a Tekkaman uses to transform)...and probably detect it as an "anomaly"... like a "cancer" from the previous example. Destroying the Tek system box would probably kill the person, because it is uniquely linked to all Tekkamen during their transformation process. The Guyver symbiote would try to rewrite the Tekkaman's DNA, which had already been rewritten during the Radam plant process into becoming a Tekkaman.

That was the catch. However, I felt it was possible because a Tekkaman's DNA has already been altered from the start, so when a Guyver symbiote comes in contact with said Tekkaman... it would accept the host on a "AS IS" basis. Why fix what isn't broken? However a Radam-controlled Tekkaman has a parasite that's embedded into the Host's neck and spine, and perhaps the Guyver symbiote would detect THAT as a foreign anomaly and destroy it while configuring the host's DNA for the bonding process.

Transformation: The Guyver bonding process would begin FIRST! Because the Bio-boost armor is organic while the Tekkaman's armor is not. So once a Host has bonded and become the Guyver, next step would be to activate the Tek System box and call out the Tekkaman (A Tekkaman by the way is a Weapons System)... the Tekkaman armor is an Add-On, similar to the Gigantic Armor for Guyvers.

Anyway, so the Guyver form would then change, the bio-armor flesh would become metallic and so you get a Guyver-Tekkaman. The Control Medal would function as the catalyst for the Tek-system box. A host's thoughts are acted upon by the Tek-set box first and relayed to the Control Medal after. This is because a Tek system box is a part of the Tekkaman's biology. A Tekkaman wouldn't even realize he's communicating with a crystal inside himself. Its just like thinking to yourself in your mind. Same deal with a Control Medal.

Weapon systems.... well as you know in a Tekkaman's shoulders are energy cannons, which are extremely powerful but realistically they're probably the same as a Guyver's MegaSmasher in power. A Guyver's MegaSmasher would still appear in the chest cavity, since a normal Tekkaman only has his regular "human" organs there anyway. But the Tekkaman's energy cannons coupled with the MegaSmasher would be a definite two-fold increase in power. Not to mention some Tekkamen (Tekkaman Dead End) could convert the energy from another Tekkaman's voltekka (the energy cannons) ...and increase his own power two-fold!

Theoretically then (as this is all theory anyway)...a Guyver-Tekkaman that converts an incoming megasmasher blast could release a blast that's 4 times more powerful!

Energy: This is the killer. A Guyver goes by the Host's own bio-energy, so that's entirely dependent on how much stamina, endurance, strength the Host has. A Tekkaman has a significant increase in energy and in all areas - specifically a Tekkaman that has gone through 100% of the process in a Radam plant/Spore pod - thus the reason why the "evil" Tekkamen were capable of being in their forms for near indefinite periods without a need for a break. Tekkaman Blade was an incomplete Tekkaman however and could only last 30 minutes at first, but later could stay in his form longer. In Tekkaman Blade II...he seems to have no limit, considering he flies into space himself WITHOUT the aid of the Space Knights' Blue Earth spaceship. Mind you the energy it must take to transform into a Guyver-Tekkaman and then recalling both armors would have to place a pretty heavy drain on the individual. One could probably eat an entire All-you-can-eat buffet restaurant out of business! ..

Regeneration: A Guyver once wounded probably must stay in the bio-boosted form until the wound has been healed (as in the case of Sho vs. Enzyme, Sho vs. Enzyme II).....especially the Enzyme II battle. A Tekkaman once wounded can at will recall his armor and when he summons it again, all wounds will have disappeared. The cost however lies in energy. Even a Tekkaman's energy reserve is not infinite. The interesting bit here is that upon sustaining immense damage from an enemy, the Tekkaman armor would crack into pieces and reveal the Guyver's bio-armor. So at least there's a second line of defense, literally. But a Guyver's accelerated healing combined with the Tekkaman's own accelerated healing is a formidable force to reckon with. The question then is "How hard do I have to hit this guy??"

Weapons: This is simple, all Tekkamen have a lance like weapon of which have one or more functionalities to them (Takaya's "Blade" sister, Miyuki, was able to use her Tekk Lancer as a whip). Gaining the Guyver's High-Frequency blades as well, along with any combat knowledge/skill the Host has would be devastating weapons on their own. There is the ability to manipulate gravity to use the Pressure Cannon and of course then there's the MegaSmasher and the Voltekka energy cannons, probably would gain an increase in strength as well but not a massive increase, maybe 0.5X more.

Upgrade(s): The Tekkaman has his Blaster form (Tekkaman Plus) which would act very similar to the Gigantic bio-boost armor for a Guyver. Where it gets tricky is how would one summon both? I guess the easiest way is to follow the suggested transformation "process".....that is, summoning the Guyver -> summon Gigantic armor -> transform into Tekkaman -> Tekkaman Blaster form. Seems lengthy but it makes sense to me..

*** The Tekkaman Plus form had its drawbacks in the form of severe mental trauma due to the extreme amount of energy utilized by the Tekkaman weapons system. The safest bet for a Guyver-Tekkaman would be to just summon the Gigantic armor and stay in the Tekkaman form thereafter, without using the Blaster/Plus form. This is purely for the Host's own mental safeguard. Takaya (Blade) had lost all but a minute memory of Aki Kisaragi (his girlfriend) at the end of the first series (Tekkaman Blade).... by Tekkaman Blade II, over 10 years had passed by and Takaya had a "blank slate" since his battle against his older brother Kengo (Tekkaman Omega) on the Moon. Even then it took over 10 years for Takaya to rekindle his love with Aki. ***

Speed: Well I'm not exactly sure how fast a Guyver moves, I've not honestly seen any stats for the Guyver and so someone else more knowledgeable may be able to help with that info. I do know a Tekkaman has the capability of traveling in a plasma-like form which appears when they engage in "Crush Interlude", appearing like a bird-like form. Miyuki (Tekkaman Rapier) traveled in that form to Earth during her escape from her Radam pod. As far as I understand becoming plasma requires energy to be superheated, and in the case of the anime/manga world I'll just assume that the Crush Interlude form simply means the Tekkaman's encased in a massive field of energy which in such a state allows him to travel with little physical resistance - and that alone may allow an immense boost in speed.

I hope I've covered most of the topic, but since I have not seen any data files by the authors, I can't really throw out any numbers. I suppose this is where creativity comes in?

- Ashura

[*zeo]

Yes, Will (William White III) of Guyver Strike Force, is an admin on the warriorguyver.com site's message board, which also hosts the GSF.

We actually don't know what the Guyver Unit would do with a diseased human, it's just an assumption that it would cure cancer, etc. Scars for example aren't removed, which suggests it won't cure the host. But it may be possible, just not a certainty.

Tekkamen aren't exactly human anymore, they are mutated and not everyone survives the process. So in all likelyhood the bonding would be just like it would be with a zoanoid.

Guyver Unit's don't re-write host DNA. So yes, it would accept a Tekkaman host.

The Unit may remove the control parasite, so long as the parasite is clearly foreign as otherwise it would be accepted along with the rest of the host.

For example the human body is full of symbiotic organisms it needs to properly function but aren't really part of us either. Since all Guyver host live normally that these symbiotic organisms must still be present and accepted by the Guyver unit.

The Tekkaman armor itself can be considered Bio-Armor as well since it is generated by the host. Remember this was why Blade was able to upgrade to Blaster Tekkaman. The Crystal was just the key to transforming, but Blade managed to do that artificially which means the armor comes from him.

So since the Guyver assimulates the trait of the host it would combine the Tekkaman Armor with itself.

Energy wise, a Guyver super charges the host with energy from the Boost Dimension (something we would call Hyper Space) and then continuously charges the host via an energy siphon from the Gravity Control Orb. Granting the Guyver near limitless stamina, as long as they don't use energy faster than it is restored, and is why Guyvers don't need to eat while in armor form.

The Smashers themselves are an example of just how much energy is stored in the host body from the Bio-Boost, though it takes time for them to recharge so each smasher is usually only fired once during a battle unless the battle takes longer than several minutes.

Also deactivating and reactivating the Unit also instantly regenerates the armor and host, as well as restore their energy reserves to full. But of course leaves the host vulnerable until they call the armor back.

Otherwise the Armor can be disingaged so long as the host life is not in danger, like in the new Guyver Anime series the Guyver host were seen with bruises and such that had to be bandaged after the battle.

Similarly Tekkaman Armor channels cosmic energy, so main limitation was mental and not really physical. The time limit for example was because after that period of time Blade would go mad.

The Blast Tekkaman was more powerful but it cost him in mental health, forgetting important memories, and shortend his life.

I don't know how much damage the Tekkaman could take but a Guyver can survive anything so long as the CM is not damaged and still completely regenerate.

So combined a Guyver Tekkaman would be virtually impossible to hurt. Especially since Tekkaman Armor can only really be damaged by another Tekkaman, probably because it really is some sort of energy manifestation like Moldiver dimensional armor.

Since the Guyver and Tekkaman Armor would basically combine the weapon system capacity of both would significantly increase.

Similarly the Blaster and Gigantic would also combine, though doing so would produce a character with probably enough power to destroy an entire planet.

On the plus side the Guyver Unit could offset the mental cost of using the Tekkaman power.

Speed wise a Guyver is about as quick as say Spiderman. Zoanoids appear to move almost in slow motion to a Guyver, who can outrun most cars and can fly pretty fast too. Though only the Gigantic can presumably break the sound barrier.

Tekkaman on the other hand is significantly faster, mostly because of the superior flight power but it was designed for space battle while the Guyver is intended for planet side use.

Only the Gigantic version of the Guyver is capable of really fast speed because of the triple gravity contol orbs and plasma based back thrusters for rocket like acceleration, but Tekkaman may be even faster than the Gigantic in terms of flight speed.

Hand to hand though I think the Guyver is faster.

Physical strength of the combined form should also be through the roof.

[Guest Ashura]

Those are some very good points you made there Zeo. I'm more of a Tekkaman fan than Guyver, but I understand your points.

Just some small clarifications on the Tekkaman front though...There are discrepancies between the Manga and Anime of Tekkaman Blade:

For an unexplained reason the Tekkamen have the ability to 'absorb' their crystals into themselves, as seen with Takaya in Tekkaman Blade II series...whereas over a decade prior (Tekkaman Blade series) he is shown summoning his crystal which materialized in his hand, and sometime he even physically had the crystal in hand anyway. Shin-ya (Tekkaman Evil), Takaya's brother, carried his crystal on himself, as seen during their first encounter when Shin-ya retrieved the crystal from his trench coat pocket or pant pocket (I can't remember which)...

But its implied that Takaya has complete mastery over the Tekk-set crystal in Tekkaman Blade II because his power level and the fact that he does not require the Blue Earth to enter outer space, and the fact his crystal appears in his forehead during the summoning process - one can assume the crystal has been absorbed into his body completely.

In the manga... there was never anything said about the Blaster form having any neurological impact on the Host at all, since Takaya entered the form twice (once to save his sister Miyuki from Tekkaman Evil and his 3 comrades and the other time to defeat his brother Tekkaman Evil) ...Also in the Anime it did not shorten his lifespan but did almost wipe his memories clean save for a small memory of Aki.. which he says at the end of the anime.

Also Tekkamen do not utilize any extraneous sources of energy save their own bio-energy, as seen in the Manga when Takaya's armor literally begins to crumble after his battle with a giant robot that held Tekkaman Sword in it. This was due to Takaya being worn out from the battle. Also recalling the Tekkaman armor will regenerate the damaged armor ONLY if the Host has regained energy through eating food, although an epinephrine injection may help for a short while. The large amount of energy in a Tekkaman is due to the host's (Human) physiology being altered during the Radam spore pod process of becoming a Tekkaman. It is the human's bio-energy that powers the Tekkaman's weapon systems (specifically though a Tekkaman is a Weapons System in and of itself).

As far as weapons do go...a Tekkaman's energy cannon is different depending on the Tekkaman. Tekkaman Evil could form his Voltekka into a gigantic ball of energy (a la Son Goku's Spirit Bomb from DBZ).... but at the end of the manga, Tekkaman Blade utilized all 7 of the remaining Tekkamen's crystals to launch a blast which created a black hole-like singularity that seemingly destroys the entire moon (although his aim was to destroy the crashed Radam-infested Spaceship that Takaya's family lived in while exploring outer space)... but that required all 7 crystals, mind you.. combined with a Guyver's MegaSmasher, yeah I agree the power level would be through the roof.

Speed-wise... usually when Tekkamen fight they're seen as "blurs" since they move so fast on land or air, but yes that is due to the fact they were designed to battle in space, although they are multipurpose fighters..actually being the elite of the Radam forces, with Radam 'crabs' being like foot soldiers that attack in large numbers. Tekkamen were the ultimate creations of the Radam. But yeah they'd be slow hand-to-hand unlike a Guyver, but maybe not since Tekkamen do move fast regardless of what atmosphere they're in. The bulkiness is disillusioning! The plasma jets on the back grant them immense speed which is taken advantage of during the Crush Interlude form (that bird-like aura)..

Damage: A Tekkaman CAN be damaged by a special cannon designed by the Space Knights' Commander Freeman that negated the Tek set (this had to be one of the single biggest piece of technology that was derived from the study of Takaya's Tek set crystal; far more superior piece of technology than the Sol Tekkaman suits) -- this was used by Balzac to kill Tekkaman Sword (he hit her twice with it)...but a Tekkaman has very powerful armor nonetheless, when Noal/Ringo fired his energy cannon while wearing the Sol Tekkaman suit...it did nothing to Tekkaman Evil at all! Though it caused large Radam 'crabs' to explode with one hit..and those creatures were nearly impervious to normal weapon fire, even tank projectiles did nothing.

In the Manga Tekkaman Blade was nearly pulverized by a raving mad giant robot which had Tekkaman Sword (or what was left of her) in it and it wasn't even a Tekkaman armor that damaged him so severely his armor crumbled until most of the black "flesh" underneath was showing. It really probably takes something on an equal or greater level of power than a Tekkaman to damage one. So long as the object has the same or better physical density than a Tekkaman's armor.

I don't mean to contrast your statements Zeo, everything you stated is really fine with me. The problem lies in the differences between the Tekkaman Anime and the Manga. Also I think Tekkaman Blade II series is probably an algamation of the first season of the Anime and the Manga as well. The reason is there's no mention of Takaya in the Anime having lost his memories although there is mention of Takaya having left for an undisclosed amount of time (here I will assume he was training himself to master the Tek-set crystal since he was incomplete to begin with) which is how his crystal is absorbed into him and becomes a part of his own self - OR - it was drawn this way as a metaphor to show he had mastered the crystal's full capabilities...where in his younger years the crystal was a separate physical object (symbolizing his incompleteness)...but I may be looking at it too deeply.

Another interesting point is Takaya is the main force behind the continuation of the Space Knights and the new Tekkamen BUT it is Aki Kisaragi that runs the show because she was like the second-in-command and Noal/Ringo was third...its a role more suited for her. Takaya was never really a social guy anyway. The other reason why the anime's inconsistent is that there is NO mention of any previous loss of memory of his sister, or for that matter the 'evil' Tekkamen he killed that were all a part of his family (three of them were not, but were still close)... But the primary reason this wasn't retold in the second series was because Takaya was not the main character of Tekkaman Blade II - it was Yumi Francois (I would rather the main character have been Aki Kisaragi).. so the story only needed Takaya more as a backbone as well as showcasing him as a legend.

All in all...a Guyver would solve a Tekkaman's energy supply problems and the extra power does not hurt at all. It would be one hell of a creation!

[Guest neon medal1]

just a quicky as i am at the library

from what i have seen these are all good points and i can see a lot of q&a and wild ideas to come about a tekka guyver.

but i do know that damage wise blade was able to survive a nuclar explosion at ground zero so that i would think puts him in a wg though this is without any shields i think.

that must mean that the biometal that the body is formed from is increadably strong and durable to most weapons equal or below a nuke. though what size and power the nuke was i am not sure found it on wiki as it has been a while since watching teknoman blade.

[Guest neon medal]

Well i am back on-line finally

Well if they merged the two biosciences then say make a tekka being, like a tekka-zoanoid they would add the telepathic creature that allows them to control the tekkaman as it would in my option to increase control as some zoaforms have gone rogue.

With the guyver-tekkaman hybrid I would think that the creature would be a god send with a bit of tinkering to the g-unit cm to allow for the creature to continue unhindered as some have said that the g-unit may kill off the creature as it has no use that the other organs and such have.

As from what i understand a tekka plant travels as a seed and when it arrives on a planet or something it can attach and grow from, not sure what size the seed is.

after that it grows to a large humanoid around 8 feet tall and waits like a fly-trap or predator taking in whatever it is the target parameters set for, it then takes something like weeks or months not sure truly how long it takes before it completes the transformation.

After that the new tekka-warrior is released and sent to do whatever it is ordered to do.

So for a g-unit and tekka technology i would think that it would stay the size of the g-unit is at thus making it harder to be seen or recognized as a tekka plant this would also disguise its true potential for every one.

though seeing how the problems with the tekka process would likely kill a person if they fell into one of the 4 categories stated above posts, and with some debate over whether or not a g-unit can repair/heal/regenerate a person, if we say it can then the chances of a person undergoing the new hybrid process or if the part that did so heal was applied to the tekka plant would bring a larger crop of tekka-warriors.

though seeing how long the tekka process takes compared to the Guyver bonding, though the tekka-process is imo much like zoanoid processing as it take some time pending on what the person is going to be turned into.

So I would assume that the person would either be stuck in the Guyver form acting like a cocoon thus allowing for a defence and consciousness or like the gigantic cocoon with a defensive abilities thus acting like a tekka plant and Guyver in defence mode.

seeing as such an endeavour would be i would think that the Guyver part would be re-engineered for combat like say the warrior units, though i have never learned what type of energy they use in the tekkaman like the weapons its just a blast of energy is it quantum energy or life energy?

well its an idea though maybe not but the vamore-warriorguyver mega smasher acted as batteries or boosters to the hyper smasher pods, well what about something similar though the two weapons could be fired separately. Like mega smashers or tekka blast, or both together at the same time, though then the next would be using one or the other as batteries boosting whatever the power of the energy used.

As I had said before the armour of a tekkaman from what I read on wiki was that it was a biometal so I would assume it would grow over the top of the Guyver armour acting like an outer living shell or exoskeleton that can grow and repair.

I would assume baring the mega smashers and tekka blasters that the other weapons would be enhanced in some way thanks to the merger of technologies, like the vibro-swords being much stronger than before thanks to the biometal thus if the vibrational part of the sword doesn’t work it still leaves the weapon still useable and harder to break.

With the gravity orbs it would make flying easier as making yourself weightless and then having the rockets from the tekkaman used to propel him/her really fast in whatever direction, with the gravity orbs helping it would also make manoeuvring in air or space much greater.

Seeing how this process would transform a person into a more powerful being I would say that the y would make a scanner that would have parameters that stopped it from taking a zoanoid even if it is in human form. Less chance of making something even stronger as a Guyver zoanoids are powerful, a Guyver zoalord is even more powerful so a tekkaguyver zoanoid or zoalord I would think would really wipe out a lot of beings.

That and the chance that the control creature could always malfunction so losing the control over such a being as a zoanoid or zoalord is not something they would allow or want with that much power.

Now the CM and the tekkacrystal I would think merging them would boost the power and also add a level of protection for the crystal as well as boosting the power of the CM.

As a WG-unit has shields increasing the survivability of the body and a second shield around the CM and also drawing the unit or CM back to hyperspace to heal, would make this type of unit say somewhere along the lines a warkag being a tough and deadly son of a b***h to take down as well as kill.

Such a unit would make unit removers hard if not impossible with the level of how close the unit would have bonded with the person, and very like would regenerate the person like if it had lost the body like a normal unit, while the remains of the first body would desolve.

So basically it would be one use one person unit unlike with others as I am sure that besides the matrix there possible is a wg remover though untested.

well what do you all think

[Guest Ashura]

Hi Neon, welcome back

I know I’m just a huge fan of Tekkaman and not the foremost expert on the topic (that would obviously go to the creator/creators)… I’m not too sure about a Tekkaman/Zoanoid hybrid, since in the manga/anime of Guyver it leads one to assume that too much tinkering with a Zoanoid’s physiology leads to an unstable form. Or maybe you end up with a Lost Number type, I don’t know. A Zoanoid would have to undergo the same processing a human does to become a Tekkaman.

Also Tekkamen have an innate psionic ability mostly used to communicate with other Tekkamen but is enhanced by their sensory as a Tekkaman (kind of like the Guyver’s sensory orbs). The Radam in the series and Manga in Tekkaman Blade were controlled via psionic waves by Tekkaman Omega but the evil Tekkamen were controlled by a Radam implant (a creature that is inserted into the base of the neck and lives in the spine)… but they too carried the will of Tekkaman Omega to some extent except Omega held no DIRECT control over them (which is why Tekkaman Evil was able to plot against Tekkaman Omega in the manga)….

Radam spore plants are very large, exact dimensions are not known to me.. but they’re probably the size of the Gigantic cocoon (Guyver series), and it takes several months up to a year depending on the person. Takaya’s father was rejected by the spore plants (because he was not at the right age and did not have the right physical health/build that could be optimized on). Radam actually cannot reproduce on their own, thus why they seek out other lifeforms and assimilate them into various “creatures” you see in the series. Tekkamen were just the elite soldiers needed to aid in conquering other planets.

I think it’s a good guess that a merged G-Unit/Tekkaman human would be in a spore pod the size of a gigantic cocoon. When all Tekkamen are released they have the Tekkaman armor formed on them, but once the process is done they emerge out of the pod in the human form. But the Spore pods themselves have a defense in their massive whip like appendages that have sharpened spikes/spears at the ends. Also spore pods tend to have Radam creatures at the stand-by like guards until the process is complete. Also while in the spore pod the human is kept in a comatose state so there is no consciousness at all that could activate the Guyver unit.

And the bio-boost armor does regenerate itself pretty fast when not inhibited by any special enzymes (like those from the Enzyme types). The Tekkaman armor too regenerates very fast as well but while in a spore pod a human’s already in the Tekkaman form.

Tekkamen use the same type of particle beam cannons that Guyver use for their MegaSmasher, its just differently animated in the Tekkaman Blade series. However they are extremely powerful, I’d wager moreso than the MegaSmasher due to the area damage it leaves behind. Notably when Tekkaman Rapier (Blade’s sister) dies in the anime, she uses the energy from the Voltekka to take out the other Tekkamen (although they don’t necessarily die)…and it leaves behind a massive crater as well and creates devastation for miles around. As a beam its focused and powerful too but it falls along the lines of the MegaSmasher. The big difference however is HOW a Tekkaman uses the Voltekka, since Takaya’s (Blade) brother, Shin-ya (Tekkaman Evil) was able to turn his Voltekka into a massive globe of energy.

The Gravity orbs I think don’t add any significant addition to the flight and maneuverability to the Tekkaman because they hold those capabilities as an innate part of the entire Tekkaman weapon system. They move a lot faster than Guyvers do and with their plasma jets on the back of the armor, they move immensely quicker. The ONLY true benefit from the Gravity orb would have to be the siphoning of energy from the boost dimension.

Another benefit would be the ability to manipulate gravity into forming the Pressure Cannon. But the near unlimited reserve of energy due to the Gravity orb would be all a Tekkaman really needs. Tekkamen have no problem moving in and out of a non-atmospheric environment to one with an atmosphere, they fight in the sky or in outer space with no problems at all.

I think you’ve got some interesting ideas, creativity is always awesome. I’d like to see where you go with this.

[*zeo]

I don't mean to contrast your statements Zeo, everything you stated is really fine with me. The problem lies in the differences between the Tekkaman Anime and the Manga.

No problem, it is interesting how Anime series often diverge from the Manga.

A few points thought, a Guyver Unit works by assimulating the properties of its host and then Bio-Boosting the resulting combined being.

So the Tekkaman and Guyver aspects would combine to form a new being and shouldn't be considered separately.

Guyver Reflexes are super-humanly fast and are further augmented by the Control Medal, which interfaces with the host brain and can react so fast that one time it was shown in the Anime that the Guyver can use the head beam to vaporize a bullet in mid air.

The Guyver Bio-Boost Process infuses the host body with an immense amount of energy, the more powerful the host the more energy is infused. So a Tekkaman/Guyver would have an immense amount of power.

Guyvers can't be controlled, the name Guyver is suppose to actually mean Out of Control, so control organism or no a Tekkaman/Guyver would be free of control.

When not in use the Guyver Unit stores itself in the Boost-Dimension (something akin to Hyper Space)...

[Guest neon medal]

the tekkaman/zoanoid if you look at both animes and Manga the human form could be considered a primary form to which a zoanoid or tekkaman is created from.

with a tekkaman we see in blade 2 they have a in between stage that gains a person the armour and such but lacks the weapons and i think the thrusters that a warrior form gains after completion, this would mean that there is a safe stage that a person can be taken out before weapons and control creature is implanted.

so if you look at it from one way a zoanoid being taken by a tekka plant the chances of it coming out transformed is very low in my option but if the pod could be instructed if it could send data and receive it back to the radium then they could study and either process the zoanoid and keep the enhancement already there or learn from this and next time a zoanoid is taken they can test and see if it can be processed or not.

failing that command the pod to return to them for proper study, though there is still a chance that it could do the processing, but like i was putting out that this TG-unit would be the combined tech of to bioscience race.

the creature implant i would think the advent would find useful as an alternitve means to control a Guyver with a bit of work they should hopefully by pass the block created via the g-unit once active that was why i was saying they would use them.

as you have said that implant they carry has the will of the radam but not influance over them via omega but i am sure that could be over come but it would be a fall back if that psionic by-pass fails.

seeing as the TG-unit (tekka-guyver unit, even if Guyver means out of control) is the combination of biotech i would think they would seek to over come the time limit of processing like taking the cocoon to the boost dimention and speeding up time or it would servive as a protection/defence from People finding and studying it or something else.

that or it goes underground to hide, the defencive weapons i would say would be a combination of those wipes with vibrational ability like the Guyver swords or electricity like elegan. plus say the head beam and the sonic units any of these would be useful as defence.

in a way the biometal would make the use of enzyens either acids or enzyens hard to use on the biometal as it would be well different but i would think with enough powerful acids it could get through the the Guyver armour.

so basically the tekkaman blasters are something along the line of the gigantic guyvers hyper smashers in power but has a wider area affect like when going from the emitters anything within the height and width say 4-5 meters though the thats just a guess is destroyed. but the major differnce would be the that they can control the use of the energy so it can be thin or wide, that or change the shape, form and size like evil did in making it a ball.

with such control directing it into destroying everything around them like rapier did though it killed her, would be a deadly use of these weapons, so a TG-unit could use the normal MS maybe uping the power level but it would only be a one directional blast unlike the TB with it's greater ability, then using both MS and TB would be reall overkill but very draining to use unless it has a HSL like WG does.

the gravity orbs i would think would grant something to flying like more ease in the air and that when hiding or such in or out of combat using the thrusters would make you stick out to those looking for you and it could conserve energy.

that is true tekkaman can more in and out of the atmosphere but a Guyver wouldn't as it is more for planet side but i does come with more and better weapons and abilities and as well benefites like if the CM is intact it will regrow the user thus bring him/her back to life. while the tekka crystal once destroyed unless all or nearly all peices are brought together will keep the tekkaman in human form or needing to use another methord to transform.

one thing did any tekkaman ever lose a limb or such and regrow it on the battle field like a Guyver does or did it have to go back to a tekkapod to do this? as that would be a major flaw when comparing Guyver to tekkamen, as it could heal most damage done but not the really serious stuff like lost limbs nor does it have a defense mode like the guyver, but at least they stay in the armour when unconsious unlike some armours like these they tend to turn off once unconsious which sucks.

thanks ashura

[Guest Ashura]

No problem at all Neon, actually I'd like to thank Zeo myself also for the input as well. A Tekkaman-Guyver is something that will come up time to time with those that are fans of the whole "henshin" (transforming characters) genre... as well as other combinations. Zeo's right though, since its a Tekkaman/Guyver combination...we'd have to treat the character as a complete being.

Guyver Reflexes are super-humanly fast and are further augmented by the Control Medal, which interfaces with the host brain and can react so fast that one time it was shown in the Anime that the Guyver can use the head beam to vaporize a bullet in mid air.

For some odd reason I keep picturing Neo from The Matrix when I read that line. "What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?"

one thing did any tekkaman ever lose a limb or such and regrow it on the battle field like a Guyver does or did it have to go back to a tekkapod to do this?

A Tekkaman I think regenerates their limbs much like a Guyver does although if the host loses limbs while NOT in Tekkaman form, then a you need a radam spore pod/tekkaplant to do the regenerating again. Takaya actually does lose limbs in the Manga almost towards the end (sidenote: Takaya can survive in space without a suit, he's part Radam as are all Tekkamen; its just impossible to move around anywhere while in your birthday suit ) ...and a spore pod with some 'help' from Tekkaman Omega takes Takaya in and regenerates his body AND his crystal. I think one Tekkaman loses an eye, and that was Tekkaman Sword, but she doesn't seem to regenerate it at all. Instead she enters a giant robot and decides to beat Takaya up.. but she was blind with anger (no pun intended)...

[*zeo]

So that would be another benefit to a Tekkaman/Guyver merger as a Guyver Unit can instantly regenerate a host when activated.

For example Sho was once impaled by Aptom and after activating and using his unit he only had a hole in his shirt.

The unit itself can regenerate so long as the Control Medal remains intact. It just took about 11 hours of dormancy before Guyver 1's CM regenerated him completely in a matter of mere minutes from just a few cells.

Sho even remembered everything up to his death at the hands of Enzyme, so I'm pretty sure a Tekkaman/Guyver wouldn't have to worry about losing memory.

Reflexively, the Guyver has dodged lasers blasts and out run cars so dodging bullets should be no problem. Even in the live action movie, which used a weaker version of the Guyver, the Guyver could recochete a bullet right back at the person who fired it.

It would not be possible to make a Guyver controllable though, the Control Medal directly interfaces with the host brain and that controls the Unit.

The Advents in fact did control humans and zoanoids alike psionically, the zoanoids just had genetic modification to make them easier to cotnrol, but the Guyver is completely immune to control.

The Creators so feared the Guyver effect that they tried to obliterate the planet with a near planet size asteroid, which would have pretty much assure total destruction if it had hit.

The effect though is unique to life on Earth so you can simply say the Radam never encountered that effect before.

As for time, the Guyver bonding process is so fast because the unit can instantly transform the host biology, and by instant I mean instant!

The entire biology of the host is radically altered in a blink of an eye when the armor is activated. The unit just reverses it just as quick when the armor is deactivated but even the Guyver leaves alteration to the host. Like telepathic organisms on the host back that allow for communication with other Guyvers and are what the host uses to call the armor. Also something is added to the host cells, exactly what we aren't entirely sure but is presently being assumed some of the Unit's genetic code is stored in the host to help with the rapid transformation.

Similarly a Tekkaman/Guyver Unit would instantly transform a host, so the process should be pretty quick. The alterations to the host would just be more significant.

The Gigantic however did take a year to form, probably because the Navigation Spheres of the Relic had to reformate themselves and that is the one part of the Guyver technology that does not easily change and like the Tekka Crystal it is the one weakness of the Guyver.

The Gigantic is actually similar to Tekkaman, with shields and plasma back thrusters. Though more powerful just like the Blaster Tekkaman is more powerful.

A Blaster Tekkamon/Gigantic Guyver though would have virtually limitless power. Never mind a Blaster TG/Gigantic Exceed!

[Guest neon medal]

so there are some plus just that i and some over look the small things like the memories being retained, not sure on the tekkaman side when regenerated in the pods though? unless someone is a big fan and has read the Manga for tekkaman they should be able to say if or if not the tekkaman has memories and how far up till they died as with a Guyver its when they die.

what is was trying for with the tekkaman Guyver transformation i was thinking about how the tekka process takes about as long as a zoanoid processing, as a tekkaman transformation is a perm change like a zoanoid once you have changed there is no going back. so while a Guyver from what i understand changes the organs back and fourth boosting them and returning them to normal, a tekkaman is near perfect in physical shape better organs, so would the Guyver boosting of the organs still happen, would they be even better than a standard; human or zoanoid.

though for the gigantic or blaster forms they would need to gain something like the nav orbs for the gigantic not sure what for the blaster form, though maybe just another tekka-pod. using either would i think make the new form more along that items defined. while using both would make it a full merge and more powerful unit/form sort of like fusion in DBZ, DBGT as referance.

the CM regrowing sho back from the CM i would think is better than the tekkaman from what i understand as they have to place the crystal and remains in a pod to bring them back, so a merge biotech is a better bet for it coming back sooner.

in a way the gigantic seems to me like a tribute to tekkaman with the large shoulders and thrusters, though i don't remember the blaster form or it it had what the gigantic has?

well the control implant was just an idea as if they could someway use it to by pass the telepathic block, though does it still work when they remove the armour if not then my other idea could work.

were they implant acts as not just the will of the advent like it does for the radam, but as a storage device that downloads instructions, objectives and missions and with the armour on or off stops them from being interfered with sort of making them special forces that way.

[*zeo]

Guyver Units adapt to the host, and the potential Bio-Boost is completely dependent on the potential of the host.

The translation of the Creators comments during the Guyver Zero test show that for the Creators the Unit only Bio-Boosted them to 1/10 that of what it does for a human host. They were also surprised by the Mega Smashers, so we can assume the unit never manifested those weapons for the Creators. Probably because they didn't have the energy for such a powerful weapon.

A Guyver/Tekkamen combination would be thus like a Zoanoid/Guyver combination and produce a more powerful being since the base host is also augmented and thus would have greater Bio-Boost potential.

The effects of course would only be apparent in the armored form to distinguish a normal Tekkaman from a Guyver Tekkaman.

It is also only because the Guyver Unit is designed to return a host to their normal state that the unit bothers doing so. The augmentations could be permanent but the lack of active internal organs would make it difficult for the host to survive without the Unit, no continuous energy siphon from the boost dimension without the gravity control orb for example. So the unit returns the host to their original state when disengaging the armor.

After all for the Creators it was mainly just a universal space suit and not something to be used all the time and they were in the business of altering other species and not themselves.

However, Creator technology otherwise allows for instant and rapid biological re-modifications, it all depends on the Control Medal and what it is programmed to do.

In the case of a combined Tekkaman/Guyver Unit, the Control Medal could just be programmed for the required host modifications and thus transform the host within moments of bonding.

A normal Guyver unit is simply not programmed to do this, the Creators even have unit removers so to them it was never intended to be permanent but an intentional Tekkaman/Guyver unit could indeed be programmed to make permanent changes.

[Guest Ashura]

Takaya (Tekkaman Blade) in the Manga did retain all memories, even when using the Plus (Blaster) form. In the Anime the resulting extreme power boost from the Blaster form caused neurological trauma; in the case of Takaya it caused anterograde amnesia (he could not recall recent events)...and further use of the Blaster form progressed his amnesia into Retrograde amnesia, where he could not remember his past. The ending of the Tekkaman Blade series only shows him recalling Aki's name. Shin-ya - Takaya's brother - became insane/delusional after his Blaster form upgrade; his entire mind was hell-bent on destroying Tekkaman Blade and to secure his own legacy as being the most powerful in the universe.

I believe this "flaw" was added into the Anime to create a more realistic character, rather than have him super-powered and almighty like he was in the manga.

The Tekkaman process does optimize the human in ways similar to the Zoaform process in the Guyver series, basically making Takaya beyond just top human peak condition. He didn't have the physique of a body building champion but was in excellent shape for his build. His metabolism is really what gained a major boost, which is why he could eat anything - junk food for example - and not gain weight from it. There is also the ability to survive in space while completely naked...since he was part Radam as well.

The Blaster form required a full crystal, which Takaya obtains in the Anime series. In the Manga Takaya ends up in a Radam spore pod and is regenerated along with his crystal, in effect, he is reprocessed to 100% but leaves his pod far before having the Radam implant embedded in him. Each Tekk-set crystal grants the user the full power of 1 Tekkaman. At the end of the Manga Takaya uses 7 crystals plus his own so he had the total equivalent power of 8 Tekkamen when he blew up the moon (or a sizable chunk of it)..

A Tekkaman Plus form has a total of 12 voltekka cannons, 3 on each arm, 3 on each shoulder pods.

Power-wise: It depends on the user's mental fortitude.. the energy is so massive, it causes trauma if the user cannot mentally handle it. For example in the anime, Takaya uses his Blaster form to take out Tekkaman Lance, but suffers for it after by losing some memory. In the manga, Takaya emerges from the Radam spore pod - 100% - but because he was in a hurry to save his sister, and he destroys THREE Tekkamen with a blast from just ONE ARM! And he did not suffer memory loss from it.

Although the Anime ran parallel to the manga, its safe to say its the extreme boost of energy that puts a strain on one's mind and body (mostly on the mind).

Tekkaman and Guyver were both existent in the same period of time, not to mention there were other similarly-themed manga/anime in production as well. Its hard to tell who influenced whom as all ideas are influenced by *something*.. We don't know if the Gigantic form was Yoshiki Takaya's idea at the very start of when he began to do the Guyver series. But in Japanese manga/anime universe, a lot of Artists bounce ideas off each other and often compliment one another by incorporating features from another's work. In the western world we may see it as "oh he stole that idea off that guy"....but in Japan (in asia in general) its seen as a form of respect.

Personally the only thing in common with a Tekkaman that Gigantic Guyver has are the big shoulder pods and the jets on the back, but that's really it.

The anime/manga shows - especially the Manga - that a Tekkaman can function and even attain 100% power of the Tekkaman weapons system without the radam implant. Coupled with a Guyver's CM, it would make one impervious to psychic control. Tekkamen also have a similar unit but its primarily used to telepathically communicate with other Tekkamen, like the CM does but it does not serve as a weakness to a Tekkaman.

[*zeo]

Well at the time that Takaya created the Guyver series the only other person I know he collaborated with was Hirohiko Araki, who created the BAOH Manga with many of the same characteristics and themes of the Guyver series.

Godzilla was the inspiration for the Mega Smashers and some later characters like Khan's Dragonlord form and the Gigantic Exceed... and the Guyver was also possibly influenced by Tokusatsu legend Kamen Rider. At least that is what a former editor of one of his publishers had stated.

No source I know of though has ever mentioned an association between the Creators of Tekkaman and Guyver though.

But could be possible since the Anime series Tekkaman: The Space Knight was originally produced back in 1975, though was a mecha like character back then, and is what the Tekkaman Blade series was based on. Though didn't the Tekkaman Blade series come out in 1992?

I don't know anything about the Manga for Tekkaman and I don't even know which came first, the Anime or the Manga series?

[Guest Ashura]

The Manga came out after the Anime series, about two years later, but I bought the Manga while in Sapporo in '96 and at that time they were pretty much considered "brand new".. I'm not sure if it was published in a weekly before '94 though.

[Guest neon medal]

Well hope I am not repeating my self and such.

From what I have seen after a short watch of tekkaman tv show the tekkaman after processing is much like a zoanoid, gaining incredible physical powers and probable mental powers though not really proven.

Though they are also like a zoalord in that they while in human form keep some of their abilities but without transforming they cannot use them fully. For a tekkaman the armour in my option acts more as a way for the person to gain full use of their powers as it act like a buffer against the strain of using them as well as protection against damage either in or out of combat.

As I watched the lat episode you could see into the visor and see the person inside though slightly changed like the eyes which I would state that they are accessing their power. But the point is you can see the person, like the tekka armour is an extention of them, unlike the Guyver which merges at a much greater level then the tekka-armour as its grown from them in the pod.

The Guyver boosts the person changing a few things for better combat and leaves only trace changes when out side the transformation, while the tekkaman never looses the changes just the full use of them.

Though the tekkaman does not have that many weapons

1) tekk-lancer that can also double as an extra weapon pending on the tekkaman.

2) the next would be the grapple spike that can be used as both a weapon and to grab hold of something ad drag it or be dragged.

3) is the tekka- beam or as its called a vol-tekka or techno-bolt that from what I understand should be considered a powerful particle beam that can be shaped and directed to a certain degree. Or it maybe just preference of the user on how and what it looks like when they go to use it as blade just used it as a beam while saber I think used it as a ball sort of reminiscent of dragonball z deathball and spirit bomb plus other such techniques.

But that’s makes around three maybe four weapons beside the increased strength and speed though a fifth of would that be seventh weapon would be the techno battle mode though I am not sure what else it offers besides generating a powerful energy field that allows him to ram though things.

But then maybe it enhance his other abilities for a short term and for fast combat to get rid of the enemy quickly.

The standard Guyver has five weapons these are;

1)vibrational swords either in one or two pairs, these appear most often at the elbow area, all facing backwards, though sometimes they appear on the forearm around the wrist making like standard swords and easier to use like swords.

2) is the head laser or head beam that is a infrared beam of energy weak but very useful for quick, delicate and pin-point work like cutting openings or taking objects that are small and in a small focused area.

While also making it hard for being traced back to origin unlike using 1 mega smasher cell to destroy a bullet is over kill and likely to hit someone you didn’t want to.

3) Sonic emitters granting them a way to disorient opponents or kill/destroy a person or target or targets like missiles or many bullets. But it can also be used say for causing other actions like liquefaction of fires to think of a few.

4) a gravity cannon or a gravity pressure cannon which every you is the right term to use allowing them to shoot balls of compressed air or something at a person or target and acting a powerful blast though not sure if or how much sound that releases when it does. Then it also works as a way to grant a Guyver to fly not as fast as a tekkaman but then it wasn’t truly geared towards combat just something that was an out growth from the humans.

5) last the mega smasher cells that generate a powerful partical beam though something that is not as strong as a tekkaman nor can it be shaped or directed like the techno-bolt.

Sort of a comparison of weapons though you do have to wonder what a standard unit on someone with huge energy reserves like someone from dragonball would cause the weapons power level go to?

When you look at the tekkaman techno-bolt emitters are small and something like 3 clustered together each making me thing of lenses while also being in a place that allows them to still be opened or if damaged not restricted movement.

While the Guyver has them in the chest and only two and can be stopped from being opened by damaging that area and the cell as it is an organ, plus it restricts movement when damaged.

Flaws are for a Guyver would be the CM but also mentally as shown by sho and wisker aka Guyver two that when damage it will malfunction like bonding with the nearest person. After that once it reaches a certain limit either a time limit or energy use it will glitch like freezing the person until it over comes that glitch/freeze and then they can continue.

Though once destroyed they die a nasty death while for a tekkaman their crystal can be still used as shown by blade with his sisters shard of hers and when his brother dies he uses his whole crystal to boost himself, while a Guyver cannot do something like that aside for using the navigation orbs of a advent ship.

Though I am not sure on the energy a fully processed tekkaman has if it is immense like say a zoalord level or smaller? While the Guyver doesn’t have an limitless supply but a very large supply but has to be used wisely when using such weapons like the mega smasher, as if it over uses it then either they can’t uses anything like the strength though that’s just a guess on that part but something may not work or they revert back to human form till the energy is replaced.

I have to ask this as I am not sure on it but which of the two would have better senses that means all senses not just one or two, one is more organic inclined the other more machine or robotic inclined as that is what tekkamen make me think they look like.

Though I am repeating myself here agin but the energy either use what is it, is it the life energy what some call bio-energy or ki. Or is it for the boost dimension using to enhance/charge the life energy in the Guyver to a grater degree, while is it quantum energy for the tekaman they use or boosting therir own energy. But then in the tv series of tekkaman the vol-tekka or in the dub techno-bolt is said to use I think quantum energy and blade uses pegas plasma something to boost his techno-bolts destructive power level.

Though I wonder if it was a particle beam then how does the plasma enhance its power like it does?

Well as I think on this and go with the flow as such I would think that a tekka-guyver could have two forms one the standard looking Guyver look of the organic plates and such, with a second form being the biometal encasing and adding a much greater level of protection.

The grappling spike would and could at as a way to transfer energy either as an attack or recharging, then it could also take energy, transfer something like a virus or such into the target. Plus act like a whip as it would be flexible.

I would assume that the tekka-lancer would gain some properties from the vibrational abilities of the Guyver swords though pending on the person it could also double as another weapon not sure what though?

I would assume that the vibrational swords would be stronger and such maybe an added ability like say energy enhancing its potential in some way?

The head beam or head laser I would think would get a boost in both range, power and usage say from whatever the tekkaman energy boost or uses.

The gravity orbs I would think would gain a boost from the merger granting maybe better use of the gravity field to use as a shield and use for hovering and flying outside combat. While in combat the thrusters would be a asset plus also for getting somewhere quickly and also for escape if needed.

The sonic emitters would also go to a high level of power and abilities and range the usage of them I couldn’t guess at.

The mega smashers I would assume the same though the could take on the configuration of the emitters form the tekkaman side which could boost the power level or allow for different levels of usage. Like using one of the cells from one chest plate, then maybe two, then again the three could be used one after the other allowing for a recharge of one cell like how a Gatling bun has three barrels or six but the number of 3 to 6 either way allows for spreading the heat and wear thus longer use before needing a cool down time and also a check in the wear of it.

While a normal machine gun using that many rounds without a cool down period may likely cause more damage and warping of the barrel.

This could be used I would say without the biometal on though with does pose an interesting question in how or if the chest plate would open, like one idea of mine had been from the chest area of the gigantic that looked like a opening for a MS cell. So a section of the chest plate could open over a cell for firing and after could either close and another open or rotate round to another, then if using all three on one side or both would it open like a normal Guyver or would it slide to the side sort of making a reference to a more mechanical or robotic like appearance.

Then the techno-bolt emitters either come when the biometal is in use because of the stress in there use as they are more powerful or they do appear when not in that mode but used with the MS for a finisher. As I can’t say if I have ever seen one techno-bolt pod used most often its both or if one is damaged or destroyed.

Then again it could be used in the same way as the MS 3 cells I thought up but as these are the tekka part they would be more stronger though the plus is if they can be boosted via the ms or other way round.

Well there are probably a number of ways that this could be used and I could most likely go over them and possible combinations for a while but lets leave it at that.

The biometal I would thin would be a great boon as if you remember that Guyver 1 had his chest plate damaged to stop the use of the mega smasher so with the biometal over that would make it harder for anything below a high hyper class, lost number of some type or a zoalord of some type.

With the jury out on which has the better senses I would think that the Guyver has a better all round view as it were like a hyuuga being able to see 360 degrees around them and with the high level or a Guyver reflexes coupled with say the more focused part of the tekkaman it would make dodging and hand and eye coordination even better than before plus sensing thing better.

With both the tekka crystal and CM being one and the same would decrease the damage that happened to blade as his crystal was split making it impossible to use like normal. Plus it would make it harder for someone to take it away from the person as it only appears when the armour is summoned, though this still leaves the fact that as the CM could still be damaged or destroyed so unless it could come off like it judges the damage to it is to much and cause the unit to leave the host so as the symbiot does not break loose and consume the host and leaves just the CM or goes back into the boost subspace till either it is able to repair itself or is placed in a pod of chamber that can repair it.

That sort of lends itself to the tekkaman crystal being repaired in a tekkapod and then being able to use it again unlike the CM of Guyver 2 which kill the host though if creator tech could possibly repair the CM then the host could still come back?

That or a shield is used as well as the ability to go into hyperspace more so with the host if the body is to badly damaged and the area is to dangerous.

The strength level I am not sure on as a normal Guyver puts it a 100 x men while the tekkaman I am not sure on so combined could say take it up to 400x that’s just a guess, plus this could either be restricted to what mode they are in.

Same could be said for the running speed normal top for a g-unit is 250 mph flight is 300mph and reflexes 5-40 time normal. So these could well be boosted and pending on the mode they are in could restricted the level like being half so strength 200 in none armour mode and 400 in armour mode, so running speed could be 375 and in mode 750, flight 450 mode 900, reflexes 7.5-60 in mode 15-120.

What else I am not sure but I think you lot would have an idea one what else would be improved upon when compared to a normal g-unit, though I did find some of what the WG used interesting.

Though I am not sure if such tekka-guyver would have shields or not or able to over come biological attaks unless like everything it is designed into it?

Then we have the more powerful forms like the gigantic which makes me think of the moto-slave in bubblegum crisis Tokyo 2030. and also the blaster tekkaman which grant a more powerful forms and such but like a saiyan you can’t go straight to ssj2 or ssj3 with out either having form 1 or two and having used the previous forms extensively. So you don’t see sho going to gigantic when he first summons the armour so a tekkaman also does the same transforms first and then boosts again for the more powerful form, I would think a tekka-guyver if it had such a form would like them choose when to use the upgraded power.

The a plus I would think is that as it is two different biosciences coming together that such a powerful unit add-on would be tekka-guyver only so someone like Guyver 3 couldn’t steal it.

Only another tekka-guyver would be able to do so, but like sho showed as he was the first one to create it and also who basically designed it as well the full power or potential can only be unlocked by him plus he can take it back once he gets his act together.

Sort of like computer privileges only the administrator has the full access and such to the computer and so you are limited to what has been allowed but the admin sit has over all control, though with the gigantic you gain most of the abilities but possibly not the same possible level that the creator of the gigantic can do with it and such.

Though in tekkaman I think that the blaster tekkaman is only accessible to one person a anyone going through an upgrade process like blade and saber did wouldn’t need to take the others blaster form, only thing I can think of would be the crystal so as to enhance their power.

I am sure there is more like the regeneration and such that would be improved but I think I’ll leave this as it is for now and see what you lot think plus what else would be improved and how much.

though sorry again if i have just repeated or mangled things up a bit.

bye

[Guest neon medal]

well following that i'll give a try at what each weapon would be like.

not sure what the smashers should be called like hyper smashers or something else but as they are in a set of three i thought that they could be fired one at a time, or use the other two as recharge units while firing one this would allow for a rapid fire though they would when fired all together still recharge faster than a normal guyver.

power well lets say the same as a hyper smasher from a gigantic, but as i said it can fire one cell out of the three so one cell could be ererer twice as powerful as a normal mega smasher, though between the three cells are four in total small gravity orbs that help enhance and focus the power and the beam size from the size of a gigantic to five times larger than a head beam.

as it is a merger of biotech so the cells would be a hybrid of crystals and tissue this would i think help with the power and such when used to store energy.

to add something the chest plate has a unique ability to open above one CC (Crystal Cell) to allow use when needed with out opening the plate, the special ability of the HS CC is that because of the crystals helping to act as storage can boost the units other weapons and abilities for a short time instead of being used in the HS.

then there is another set located in the shoulders though while the Guyver is in normal mode they cannot be accessed because of the power released is 6 time that of a hyper smasher and with the boost affect from the chest HS makes it even more powerful.

when the armour mode is used which calls on the biometal of the radam tekkamen granting access to the shoulder HS as the power level used is likely to damage the Guyver when not in armour mode, these shoulder HS also have the GO (gravity Orbs) helping to increase the power and such. though unlike the chest HS these can shape, mold and direct the beam before and after firing allowing for the energy to track a target.

as stated before these HS CC can be used to boost other functions of the Guyver from weapons to regeneration for a short time before needing to use another CC unless all three of one HS is used like nitro leaving three more or all of them together.

though both do have a very special and dangerous ability that allows for a process similar teleportation though though it is used to kill and not to transport, the atoms are taken layer by layer and dispersed into hyper space, sort of like what the necrons gauss flayer technology does.

sort of certain thing need the use of the biometal as without it there would be a damaging effects to the unit when it uses these higher or more powerful abilities.

well tell me what you think of this idea, to much or alright or have i made it a bit to confusing in how i have written it down?

[Guest Ashura]

Sounds good to me Neon, I don't want to seem unhelpful but since its a personal creation of yours, I think your ideas are your own to make what you will of them. That is to say a Tekkaman-Guyver is something that can only exist in our own creativity at this point in time - and possibly forever unless the respective Creators of both characters decide to merge their creations into a whole new being.

I like what you've put into it, I think you've got something now that's pretty concrete.

[Guest neon medal]

thanks ashura it is something i am working my way through using referance to the normal Guyver stats and from the warrior Guyver and such universe.

the trying to get it to seem believable like within a type of power range like if used at the beginning of the Guyver series or at the time that the prototype warrior Guyver comes into being.

though heres something on the head beam/laser= say being 10x as a normal Guyver and has three WEM around it acting as power amps making the beam more destructive, this said these WE-M2 can also fire various bolt and beams of varying levels of power and in beams or bolts. as such one know ability was bolts of super heat plasma that can explode on contact, burn/melt through targets, though with an explosive bolt can be detonated creating a plasma explosion wave. like a plasma grenade.

[BlackEpyon]

I don't think the technology of these weapons will merge very well.

Since the Bio Booster Armor is a Biologial based weapon. Whereas the Tekka/Techno System appears to be a shape changing electronic/mechanical based weapons system. This would make tboth of these incompatable with each other!