Traitor Guyot's Plot For Treason

[Guest Jupiter]

I'm wondering if Richard actually thought his plan through to kill off over the other 12 zoalords. I mean, why did he believe Archenphel was just a regular run of the mill zoalord. Didn't anyone, like Barcas fill him in on how powerful Archenphel was?  I just can't believe he just didn't hand the Guyver Remover over to Barcas and stand down for a little while and wait. He could have had a prototype Guyver Unit made like Guyver 2F. It would have been a lot easier to do. But instead, he gets pissed off at Archenphel for cornering him. He feels intimidated by his power. But yet he doesn't stand down and hand over the guyver remover. So instead, he zoaforms and takes off and than throws Archenphel into a Quasi Black Hole. At first I believe he suceeded in killing Archenphel. But after Archephel teleports out and takes Richard's zoacrystal.

 

As I read through the manga. I notice Kahn's power seems greater than Richard. But the only down side to Kahn's Draglord. Is that he needs mass amounts of zoanoids, which can be a problem. Plus he needs time to generate them. . Richard could easily throw Kahn in a Qausi Black Hole before he's able to do anything. Friedrich Purgstal would have seemed like an easy win for Richard considering all he could do was use lightning bolts. Yentsui who can make portals would out smart Richard, also Waferdanos could be a problem as well. Same with Edward Carleon who can shield himself by going into other dimensions. These are just examples how flawed Richard's plan would have been even if he had a guyver equiped. If these guys gave the Gigantics such a hard time and Richard is just using the lesser unit. How much different would he had faired in Guyver 3's boots going against the zoalords if he planned on taking over via killing off his former colleagues? It just seems his plan had complications even with a guyver unit involved.

 

What I don't understand though. Even if I had the opportunity to become optimized into a zoalord. Why would I than want to kill of the other zoalords? I mean, I'd have power, I'd have the ability to dominate any zoanoid at will except some Lost Numbers. Why kill the other zoalords? What would the point be?  I can understand if Richard felt like some day they would try to assassinate him. I know Richard wanted just to have himself sit on a throne and dominate man kind by himself. But that would get boring. Its always fun to talk to someone who has just as much power as you do.

 

Maybe its because Richard Guyot has a superiority complex, he comes off like the alpha apex predator type. Maybe he wasn't afraid to fail. He doesn't seem to at all regret losing his original zoacrystal. Perhaps his whole plan was a challenge even to him.

 

It just seems like Richard has fun going against stronger opponents than himself. I mean, it seemed he had fun tearing Murakami up with gravity bullets and hacking his arm off with a volt of energy form his zoacrystal. Richard even took a direct hit from Agito's mega smasher and it didn't even leave a mark. All it did was piss him off. I swear Richard loves putting himself in tight situations. A majority of his plans fall through the roof. First he wants to kill the Guyvers. Than he was to steal their control medal even though he probably had the Cronos scientists producing a prototype.

 

If I had been Richard. I would have just secretly had a prototype unit perfected. He had time on his side. I just don't know why he was in a hurry to rush things. I think had he decided to take action later in the story while Agito is going around killing off the other zoalord. His plan would have flourished more. I guess there's really no telling I guess. There's probably many ways his plans could have suceeded and many ways they could still fail.

 

I mean, if I had been given an opportunity to stand with 12 other individuals and share power with them. I would be very honored and thankful to the individual giving me that power. I can tell you treason would be the last thing on my mind. I'd feel like a King, I'd have power as well as political. I mean, everything needs a system to run. The whole one and only kings complex doesn't exactly work all of the time.

 

Richard had everything he needed. His greed was his biggest downfall and still is.

[Lord Uziel]

I am not completely sure about it but Guyot was the last zoalord created and since he was "produced" during a alky's sleeping period he didn't have the submission "imprinting" to Alky. This could have influenced his line of action. It could be that he was in a hurry to gain more power before alky awakening. and this means using a guyver unit. we don't know how the guyver can modify and amplify zoalord powers.

 

and... I will consider richard as a deviate mind frome the beginning... with his own logic and rules. he was cruel and evil since his first apparition in the manga, with Agito uncle and then, with Sho father.

more mysterious is Balcus zoalord candidates selectection... he also selected khan and the other 2 rebel zoalords... maybe all three of them were also produced during Alky sleeping times...

 

do we know which is the new Richard puprose now that he has only a shadow of his former powers (he has only a dummy zoacrystal right?)?

[Larz Zahn]

I'm curious, what makes you think Guyot wants the other Zoalords dead?

[Guest Jupiter]

I'm curious, what makes you think Guyot wants the other Zoalords dead?

For many reasons.I feel that Its in Richard Guyot's character to do so. My theory, had he suceeded in killing Archenphel with or without a Guyver Unit (Whether a prototype like Guyver 2F) and since Barcas told on him, sold him out of suspicion. I'm sure he would have killed him as well, if not sooner than later. Barcas would scheme to get rid of Richard and rally the other zoalords to help him. Cant have that. Best skin the narc while you can. Stab someone in the back once, they normally do it again. Barcas schemes a lot against the other zoalords with Shin and Purgstal. I've seen him do this in the manga. But I think  Richard would have wacked Balcas if he indeed did kill Archenphel. I don't think he would have wanted to kill all of the other zoalords. Just the one's he had a problem with.

So that is my pov on the subject.

[*V Guyver]

He wanted power all else, above all others. Namely to get the Guyver Unit equipped so he could be the undisputed ruler in the world, maybe the Galaxy. He never claimed he wanted to kill any of the other Zoalords, had he joined the Guyver he might of killed Alky (Even then he might of tried to make Alky submit instead) 

The reason he fought Alky goes on for two reasons, one his life wasn't guaranteed to be spared, the other reason is that he's gotten this close already. If he gave up now instead of fighting, he'd possibly die anyways, or  if he submitted and lived, he'd never get another chance again. All the Zoalords would be suspicious of him, he'd be constantly scrutinized, and be under constant watch. To top it all off, he might face more competent competition from the others to gain a Guyver Unit. Or most importantly of all, if He gave up that remove, Archanfel may of equiped the Guyver Unit, and that would be it, the end, no way would he ever surpass that being... 

Other factors, are in Richard's ignorance. He had no idea Alky was this powerful, he heard rumors, and dismissed them as he was more or less arrogant with power. This caused him to underestimate every one of his enemies and allies alike. Barcus figured him out, Alky discovered him, the other Zoalords were about to take action while Richard thought they weren't near, and most of all the Guyver and Proto-Zoalord. Each and every time he thought he could win. Richard really didn't go far enough except with that one attack against Alky, which was going too far... he knows no moderation. 

I am also curious about the Zoalord Selection. I mean, it seems to be pretty stupid. I think it followed as such when talking to Alky.

Barcus: Oh master Archanfel. I have a wonderful selection for you. I hope you like my list, though I do look and dress like Santa Claus, I don't know who's naughty or nice. 

Ah Richard, so ambitious, bad haircut though. I'm sure you'd get along nicely since he says he like power.

Li Yentsui, how can I refuse an asian pretty boy!? He might be good at jumping around. 

Waferdonus, he's a big plant, err forest people. Aa long lost brother to you my lord! Hmm... also, that lovely shiny sheen beard he has... I'm jealous. 

Kahn, very organization of world conquest needs at least, abnormal warrior, as you can see I chose an old Dwarf. 

Carleon, he likes shiny colorful objects, and loves fashion. The perfect man for guard duty. 

Galenos, Don't know why I picked him, but something about him makes me want to label him a Zoalord.

Shin, he had perfect aim shooting things from afar. I think we can turn him unto a super sniper.

Purgstahl, admittingly, I saw him get beat up by ruffians, but he really seems to know a lot about lighting. 

The other two, couldn't pronounce their names, but I want to prove to the you that we can trust minorities my lord Archanfel.

 

[Guest Jupiter]

I am also curious about the Zoalord Selection. I mean, it seems to be pretty stupid. I think it followed as such when talking to Alky.

 You hit it right on the head. LOL. I agree. Guyot really doesn't know any moderation at all and Barcas kind of has poor judgement of people. I mean look who Barcas picked. Over half the zoalords want what Archenphel has. Guyot being on top of that list.  Aside from my thoughts what Guyot might have done. I like this comment far more. But I love the how you've described some of the zoalords....and yes. Barcas looks like a warped version of Santa, rofl and Guyot has always kind of looked like Hugh Hefner in a white suit or William Panzer; because he always slicks his hair back.

[*V Guyver]

Also, out of all of the Zoalords, Barcus is the only one that is actually loyal to him if you don't count the bizarre situation with Imakirum. Those that haven't rebelled are loyal to Barcus. Don't you find that ironic? Technically Barcus was supposed to recruit Zoalords for Archanfel, and he technically fulfilled it, while failing at it. Barcus pretty much lives up to his namesake, create tactician, lousy long term strategist. 

[Guest Jupiter]

Also, out of all of the Zoalords, Barcus is the only one that is actually loyal to him if you don't count the bizarre situation with Imakirum. Those that haven't rebelled are loyal to Barcus. Don't you find that ironic? Technically Barcus was supposed to recruit Zoalords for Archanfel, and he technically fulfilled it, while failing at it. Barcus pretty much lives up to his namesake, create tactician, lousy long term strategist.

I'm beginning to think after Guyot and some of the other zoalords that Barcas has made poor judgement choosing. Thats why Archenphel just decided to take Imakirum and wipe his mind, give him a new one, because he was probably tired of Barcas recruiting back stabbing ingrates; such as Guyot as zoalords. I mean, its obvious Barcas is second in leadership next to Archenphel and thats probably why half of the other zoalords look to Barcas to solve their problems. I mean, Barcas is smart as a scientist. But when you go deep within Barcas's common sense; street smart wise, he doesn't have any at all.

It seemed Barcas was a very superstitious old man when he met Archenphel. He practically worships him and treats Archenphel as if he were a god because as I see it. He looks at him that way. The first thing he does is kneel before Archenphel in his temple on all fours. Everything Barcas loves, links back to Archenphel. He could be eating with Shin and Purgstal and he'd bring Archenphel up out of the blue. Its the only thing he thinks about.

At least what was fun about Guyot is that he was screwing someone over to better his benefit which was fun to see. I also found it very hilarious that Richard comes off as a major hypocrite when he refers Agito/ Guyver 3 as a traitor. Its because of that Agito wants to sit on the throne of Cronos, so does Guyot. But to do that, Guyot wants a Guyver Unit. In doing so, he's betraying Archenphel according to Barcas....who by the way ratted him out to the other zoalords. In turn I'm sure Barcas telepathically contacted Alky and told him. Than Guyot gets pissed when confronted by Alky in turn. So in Richard's mind :  "I want a Guyver Unit. I'm not giving up the remover, I'll kill Archenphel, and get a  Guyver Unit...that sounds like a better idea. I can beat him because I'm Richard Guyot! No one can beat me! I'll murder my maker!"

So, In Guyot's case when it involves Agito being a traitor ; Its the pot calling the kettle black. At least Agito admits to genocide when it comes to how he feels. He's more honest about it and his friends knew he worked with Cronos for a while. Just for a long time. Sho and his friends didn't think Agito would knife them in the back too.

[Lord Uziel]

Also, out of all of the Zoalords, Barcus is the only one that is actually loyal to him if you don't count the bizarre situation with Imakirum. Those that haven't rebelled are loyal to Barcus. Don't you find that ironic? Technically Barcus was supposed to recruit Zoalords for Archanfel, and he technically fulfilled it, while failing at it. Barcus pretty much lives up to his namesake, create tactician, lousy long term strategist.

I'm beginning to think after Guyot and some of the other zoalords that Barcas has made poor judgement choosing. Thats why Archenphel just decided to take Imakirum and wipe his mind, give him a new one, because he was probably tired of Barcas recruiting back stabbing ingrates; such as Guyot as zoalords. I mean, its obvious Barcas is second in leadership next to Archenphel and thats probably why half of the other zoalords look to Barcas to solve their problems. I mean, Barcas is smart as a scientist. But when you go deep within Barcas's common sense; street smart wise, he doesn't have any at all.

It seemed Barcas was a very superstitious old man when he met Archenphel. He practically worships him and treats Archenphel as if he were a god because as I see it. He looks at him that way. The first thing he does is kneel before Archenphel in his temple on all fours. Everything Barcas loves, links back to Archenphel. He could be eating with Shin and Purgstal and he'd bring Archenphel up out of the blue. Its the only thing he thinks about.

At least what was fun about Guyot is that he was screwing someone over to better his benefit which was fun to see. I also found it very hilarious that Richard comes off as a major hypocrite when he refers Agito/ Guyver 3 as a traitor. Its because of that Agito wants to sit on the throne of Cronos, so does Guyot. But to do that, Guyot wants a Guyver Unit. In doing so, he's betraying Archenphel according to Barcas....who by the way ratted him out to the other zoalords. In turn I'm sure Barcas telepathically contacted Alky and told him. Than Guyot gets pissed when confronted by Alky in turn. So in Richard's mind : "I want a Guyver Unit. I'm not giving up the remover, I'll kill Archenphel, and get a Guyver Unit...that sounds like a better idea. I can beat him because I'm Richard Guyot! No one can beat me! I'll murder my maker!"

So, In Guyot's case when it involves Agito being a traitor ; Its the pot calling the kettle black. At least Agito admits to genocide when it comes to how he feels. He's more honest about it and his friends knew he worked with Cronos for a while. Just for a long time. Sho and his friends didn't think Agito would knife them in the back too.

If you think that balcus was a man of the 15th century... on a island full of fairy tales bacome true... well.. alky IS a god! (found inside a temple )

about the loyality of the zoalords. I think that they are all connected to Alky because of their zoacrystal. I think that alkys diminished power is also due to the fact that part of it is in the zoacrystals that derived from his own. and again I cannot remember where I read it but the zoalords needs some kind of "imprinting" by alky for their loyality and this isn't possible when he is sleeping (this was the case for guyot as far as I can understand). howerver due to his continuos "hibernation" period, Balcus took his place. that's why the zoalords look at him as a leader.

maybe not anymore but Sho wasn't trusting in agito that much.. and we don't know yet what happened at the end of agito and sho last fight... I am really curious about it.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Lord Uziel

[Guest Jupiter]

Well yes. In many factors Archenphel is Immortal, but I wouldn't call him a god. The definition of any God is described  by theologians commonly includes the attributes of omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), omnibenevolence (perfect goodness), divine simplicity, and eternal and necessary existence. None of which Archenphel fully possesses. Now Archenphel is the closest thing to a god, but calling Archenphel a god would be over estimating him. There are limits to his immortality. He doesn't get sick or age, and he has a number of powers. But...lets not forget. He can still be killed which rules out any God complex.

 

I think . Just not a god the same sense that modern day humanity would see. Because while Archenphel was asleep. Many religions were created or made up. So according to the Yoshiki's story. Humans and zoanoids alike were created by the Advents. Because of the Advents created him as the first Zoalord. So he's been around for hundreds of thousands of years. It is obvious that Archenphel has a indefinite life span. He even looks like a deity. Also, if the Advents created life on Earth. Than that discredits any other religion in the story or belief due to the foundation of the story. Whether that be Christianity or any Pagan Religion. The major difference I have noticed with Archenphel is that he is the only zoalord that lacks the human element. The other zoalords, like Barcas and Guyot were human starting out. But were processed in zoalords and are no where near as powerful as Archenphel, even at maximum power. Even Richard Guyot at a 100% and throwing Archenphel into a Quasi Black Hole, had no effect what so ever. Now had things gone the way the Advents wanted. It would not have been Archenphel who would have produced the other 12 zoalords.

 

The pure blood zoalords produced by the Advents would have been like Archenphel. But since the little incident with Guyver 0. They decided that Humans and zoanoids alike would be free of telepathic submission because of the Guyver Units. Hence the Comet. So, no zoalord other than Archenphel existed. So Archenphel awoke to Barcas and sent him on an errand to create 11 other lesser zoalords. Now I don't know how Archenphel cut and cleaved his own zoacrystal.

 

But I've noticed Archenphel has green and red crystal like patterns on his zoaform. So, maybe those are zoacrystals or maybe Archenphel can produce them. Its been said in the manga that Archenphel was weakened by the Advents and the destruction of the comet. Barcas, Shin, Imakarum, and Purgistal have no idea why he has a sleeping disorder. After the Advents left. Archenphel went to sleep almost immediatley. And while he was asleep he had a temple built around him.

 

Now his sleeping disorder/ or involuntary hibernation could have always been a side effect from the damage he took from the Advents while they were leaving. He had an issue with his hibernation long before he started handing out zoacrystals to 12 other people. Remember, Barcas woke him up and he'd been asleep for thousands of years. So there fore I do not agree with you on why you think that is because of his zoacrystal.

 

I think his sleeping sickness could have been caused by the electric blast that he took a direct hit from when he followed after the Advents to restrain him. He did blow up that comet like it was nothing. I think it had a lot to do with that energy blast from the Advents, after all they're the only ones that had the technology to do any damage to Archenphel even if he were to become a threat. He took a direct hit and I think that is the cause of his issues regarding sleep.

 

It does seem that Barcas is looking into a cure for Archenphel. I just wonder if it's possible for Barcas to run a process via Optimization tank to cure Archenphel's involuntary sleep disorder. But It may not be possible at all as advanced as he is.

 

[Lord Uziel]

I agree with you. I should have written maybe and not only also in my sentence. It could be both reason but the one you mentioned is the main cause. he used all his energy a power to stop the dwarf planet hitting Earth.

[Guest Jupiter]

I agree with you. I should have written maybe and not only also in my sentence. It could be both reason but the one you mentioned is the main cause. he used all his energy a power to stop the dwarf planet hitting Earth.

 

I am curious as of why that is the cause of his involuntary sleep disorder though. It's a huge mystery to me as well as the characters in the story.

[Larz Zahn]

I think Lord Uziel was referring that to a 15th century man, Alky would appear to be a God and the 15th century man would even think Alky was a God. Especially after seeing a fairy tale island like sihla.

As for the imprinting of Zoalords. The Zoalords discussed Guyots attempt at treason. Everyone was shockedhe would try until it was mentioned that Guyot never felt Alkys presence.

It its my belief that Alkanphel has a stifling aura that overpowers the zoaforms senses. Its a passive ability. Perhaps out of his control. "his cup Runneth over" kinda deal.

So because Guyot never met Alky, he never experienced that overwhelming sensation that IS Alky. he never felt that shear power running off of him, never felt such s strong pressure in his mind.

Just a thought.

Edited June 18, 2014 by Larz Zahn

[Lord Uziel]

that is what I was calling "alky imprinting"

[Larz Zahn]

Ahhhh.... Gotcha. My bad!

[Guest Jupiter]

How does zoalord imprinting work? Are you supposed to feel loving and caring towards Archenphel as a zoalord or is that written in a zoalord's genetic code? If so, it didn't seem to affect Richard even when Archenphel confronted him about the Guyver Remover.

[*V Guyver]

For intent and purposes, Alky is more of a Demigod, the creators are the Gods. It's even been stated by Alky in the english dub (though not the japanese one) 

"Let me give you one word of advice Richard; Don't anger a Demigod" 

[Lord Uziel]

mhh I should check the italian version for a comparison.. I don't rember this sentence

[LordSpleach]

For intent and purposes, Alky is more of a Demigod, the creators are the Gods. It's even been stated by Alky in the english dub (though not the japanese one) 

"Let me give you one word of advice Richard; Don't anger a Demigod" 

I prefer the ADV subtitled version.

 

"Let me give you one word of advice Richard. Don't piss me off."