Azaar Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 Sully mentioned in the Warrior Guyver Discussion forum that Gigantic Guyvers are markedly more powerful than originally expected or anticipated. Where could one find the updated power levels of the Gigantic, for those curious to see how much more powerful they are? Quote
McAvoy Posted February 25, 2011 Posted February 25, 2011 Look at Japan Legend or google it. No physical strength levels but some suggest between 500 to 2,000 men. The first is based off of the 5x main head laser, and the other is 20x enhancement from the Power Amps. The Giga Smashers are 100x. Durability is not mentioned but seems to be thicker as well. There are two to three additional sonic buster orbs that increase in power and range but power is not given. There is an example when Gigantic Dark fired at them At Imakarum and missed. It hit something that looked like the Effel Tower vaporizing it in half. The pressure cannon is not mentioned but the large pressure cannon fired by Gigantic Dark took out a huge chunk of a skyscraper. It's rather large taking out about 40 floors out of the skyscraper. Then you got the Exceed... Quote
Azaar Posted February 25, 2011 Author Posted February 25, 2011 Hmm, interesting. Hopefully we can find something sooner or later that will give us a better idea overall. If the Gigantic is that powerful, I cringe to think of how much more powerful Exceed is -- which is something else I need to look up, since the only thing I currently know about Exceed is that it apparently triples or quadruples the height of the Gigantic itself. Edit: Well... from what I'm finding so far, not only does Exceed jump a Gigantic to 52 meters in height, but seems to have what appears to be its own version of the Warrior Guyver HSL system to allow the Gigantic Exceed to operate as long as necessary, and increases the power in proportion to size. That is a 20x boost over and above the boost to Gigantic. To compare: Gigantic -- 2.72m height (by the data file) Strength: 20x standard Guyver Vibration Swords: can elongate and bend according to user's will to several meters in length Head Beam: 5x primary, standard with secondary head beams Hyper Sensors: increase in number from 2 to 5 (assuming approximately 2km range, based on 20x boost to Guyver) Sonic Buster: increase in number from 2 to 4 (5 in Gigantic Dark), with proportional increase in sonic attack power Gravity Control Orb: Pressure Cannon can be fired as a continuous beam, or create omni-directional (spherical) forcefield Gravity Ram Spike: charged with plasma jets and elongates like vibration swords; can ram through virtually anything Plasma Jets: more than triples flight speed (from 250mph to in excess of the speed of sound) Giga Smashers: 100x Guyver Mega Smashers Gigantic Exceed -- ~52m by book 25's data file, but given the 20x height increase indicated, the actual height should be closer to ~ 54.4m Strength: 20x Gigantic (400x standard Guyver) Vibration Swords: can elongate and bend according to user's will to several meters in length Head Beam: 100x primary, 20x standard with secondary head beams Hyper Sensors: assuming approximately 40km range, based on 20x boost to Gigantic Guyver Sonic Buster: 20x Gigantic Gravity Control Orb: Pressure Cannon can be fired as a continuous beam, or create omni-directional (spherical) forcefield; 20x Gigantic Gravity Ram Spike: charged with plasma jets and elongates like vibration swords; can ram through virtually anything Plasma Jets: Unknown, but assuming similar boost to flight speed as Gigantic, in excess of Mach 3 (three times the speed of sound) Exceed Giga Smashers: 2000x Guyver Mega Smashers (20x Gigantic) Gravity Implosion / Graviton Abyss: launches singularity (black hole) at a target, absorbs said target, then dissipates immediately thereafter Quote
*zeo Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 but seems to have what appears to be its own version of the Warrior Guyver HSL system to allow the Gigantic Exceed to operate as long as necessary, and increases the power in proportion to size. Not quite, all Guyvers continuously siphon energy from the Boost Dimension from the Gravity Control Orb. The Gigantic's Power Amp crystals amplify that power siphon and the Gigantic has three Gravity Control Orbs. Going Exceed balloons those Power Amps, which means it's siphoning more energy at a far faster than normal rate... Strength: 20x standard Guyver Translation just states "20x power", as McAvoy already stated the physical strength can either be 5x like the main head beam or 20x if it's being amplified by the power amps. It's more likely the former as the Gigantic has never shown that level of strength, just power like from the power punch but they get the power from the power amps and the actual translation calls it "gravity knuckles"... Hyper Sensors: increase in number from 2 to 5 (assuming approximately 2km range, based on 20x boost to Guyver) Doubtful, wouldn't need additional sensors if it was just a power increase. Sonic Buster: increase in number from 2 to 4 (5 in Gigantic Dark), with proportional increase in sonic attack power Specifically the additional orbs allow for "detuning" (which is what is in the translation), creating a more effective and efficient sonic blast for greater range and effect. Gravity Control Orb: Pressure Cannon can be fired as a continuous beam, or create omni-directional (spherical) forcefield Don't think they ever fire continuous beam, think it's just a streak view like how bullets are often shown in comics, which is probably why it was never shown that way in the anime and OAV... Really doesn't make sense otherwise, considering how the pressure cannon is formed and how the translated data file describes it. Even the Exceed's Black Hole attack was shown as a beam in the initial images but a black hole is a singularity... Also the forcefield is actually Electromagnetic and not gravitons, which would explain how Khan's missiles can drill through the barrier... Gravity Ram Spike: charged with plasma jets and elongates like vibration swords; can ram through virtually anything Gravity suggests it works similar to the Gravity Knuckles/Power Punch, channeling gravitational energy through the chest spike, and just adds back thrusters with possible barrier shield... Plasma Jets: more than triples flight speed (from 250mph to in excess of the speed of sound) The Gigantic has yet to be shown to ever break the sound barrier and with three gravity control orbs one would suspect that normal flight speed should be greater than what a normal Guyver can manage, which is about 300MPH... 250MPH is the estimated running speed for a Guyver... Gigantic Exceed -- ~52m by book 25's data file, but given the 20x height increase indicated, the actual height should be closer to ~ 54.4m Where are you getting 20x height increase? Data File specifically states 52m! The power increase of the Exceed was never specified... Strength: 20x Gigantic (400x standard Guyver) Exceed weighs 2692 tons! Normal GG1 weighs 393kg... 393 kilograms = 866.41669 pounds... 866.41669 x 20 = 17,328.3338 pounds or 8.6641669 tons! Vs the Exceed's 2692 tons! Though mind you this weight means the Exceed is less dense than the normal Gigantic as he should weigh a lot more at that height but shows there isn't anything indicating the Exceed is 20x a normal Gigantic. Also 40,000 men comes out to the ability to bench about 16 thousand tons, which is only just under 6x the weight of the Exceed. Compare that ratio to the normal Gigantic, which is closer to 2000 times the weight of the normal Gigantic. So going by your scale the Exceed would be proportionally way weaker versus the normal Gigantic strength to body mass ratio. Quote
Sully Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Moved this topic to the science lab area. Quote
McAvoy Posted February 28, 2011 Posted February 28, 2011 Keep in mind that the difference between the Exceed and the normal Gigantic is alittle more than a mere height increase. Basically height, width and depth are increased. Body massi much less than what it should have been. In fact it should be 6,987x. However many think energy level drain would be the same as a normal Gigantic. In other words if we assume the sheer size of the Exceed directly contributes to the power increase than it has to be more that 6,987x. Quote
Azaar Posted February 28, 2011 Author Posted February 28, 2011 zeo: I was actually looking at Japan Legend's website. The Gigantic, they have listed as a 20x strength boost over normal Guyver. Exceed, they said a twenty-fold increase in size and strength. My figures are pretty much extrapolated from there -- I have little doubt that I'm way off on how the figures would ultimately pan out. Quote
*zeo Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 zeo: I was actually looking at Japan Legend's website. The Gigantic, they have listed as a 20x strength boost over normal Guyver. And I took part in many of those discussions over there. It's 20x power, physical strength is just an assumption since physical strength is not actually referred to in the visual data files! Exceed, they said a twenty-fold increase in size and strength. My figures are pretty much extrapolated from there -- I have little doubt that I'm way off on how the figures would ultimately pan out. There are no official figures on the Exceed power levels, Takaya only put size and weight, those are official, and described the general transformation and the black hole attack. Those on J-L do a lot of theorizing to try to fill in the blanks just like we do but you shouldn't confuse those theories with actual established facts from the Manga. And I believe we have already established a simple 20 fold increase doesn't match up to the Exceed abilities or physical properties... Quote
Azaar Posted March 1, 2011 Author Posted March 1, 2011 Then what, exactly, are the power levels? I can't find anything on here that has really extrapolated what to possibly expect (mostly because the search function doesn't recognize any of the terms because they're too widely used, but having combed through General Guyver, Warrior Guyver and Science Lab forums, I've not seen a single topic discussing it). That's why I created this topic, to try and see what the power levels were -- and to see how way off-base I was on my figures, based on what very little information I could get. Quote
*zeo Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Then what, exactly, are the power levels? We don't know yet, Takaya isn't giving any specifics. Who knows, he may be still be deciding that himself... All we know is that the Exceed is the Gigantic's true power and the Gigantic was created to fight Archanphel, a being powerful enough to destroy a Mars size asteroid. Compared to that level of power even a the normal Gigantic Giga Smashers are like comparing a fire cracker to a nuclear bomb. We can extrapolate some details, like despite body density being less than the normal Gigantic the Exceed can withstand Mega Smasher level attacks, like how he blocked Khan's regular Purgatorium with just his hand. While the normal Gigantic can be damaged by far less... Probably because the Exceed body is infused with raw energy. We also know the Exceed is the first example of any character firing off an actual black hole attack instead of a virtual one. It's small, so evaporates fairly quickly but it's a real black hole and that takes enormous energy to create. Also not everything may be proportionally increased, like when the Exceed flew it used the back thrusters but otherwise only seemed able to mostly just hover under gravitational power. But with just that battle to go on we'll have to wait till Takaya gives us more to work on before we know anything for sure on the Exceed... Quote
McAvoy Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 zeo: I was actually looking at Japan Legend's website. The Gigantic, they have listed as a 20x strength boost over normal Guyver. Exceed, they said a twenty-fold increase in size and strength. My figures are pretty much extrapolated from there -- I have little doubt that I'm way off on how the figures would ultimately pan out. People have a tendency of equating power with strength and vica versa. The Power Amps may very will enhance physical strength to 20x or it may not. I highly doubt Takaya will give any specifics on the Exceed. I think (I hope) that will be his only appearence. There is a possibility I think that Sho or Agito may figure out how to go Exceed without going big. I do not think it is proportionally increased at least when it comes the size=power. Also a nice little indication of the power of the Exceed is how many zoanoids it took for the Dragonlord to be that big. Quote
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