Where did the Guyver come from?

[daveblackeye152]

I know the answer is "the creators brought it with them" but have you ever wonder WHERE they got that purpole stuff inside? I've always thought about this, I think the purpole tenticale thing came from someplace while the control medal and casing is a invention of the Creators.

I'll start calling the purpole stuff the "slime". I like to think that the slime stuff is an alien creature. The creature is just one big slime creature that absorbs other organisms for energy (an energy absorber). The Creators saw the this organism and would cut off a piece of it with tools. After study of it they realized it had huge amounts of energy inside of it that could be unlocked. So they created the Control Medal. The CM is what stops the slime from totally comsuming the host (everybody knows this) I also think the CM is what gives the Guyver weapons. From all the energy stored inside of the slime the control medal unleases it into power which increases the host. The CM was also designed to give it weapons (Vibration Blades, Laser Beams ect.)

At the begining of book 2 we saw the Guyver Monster. A creature that was a piece of Guyver that went rogue. It took up a humanoind form ,instead of slime, because it's host was human and it didn't have any of the Guyver'ss weapons because all this weapons came from the Control Medal harnessing the slimes stored energy.

I'm pretty sure I said something wrong or was incorrect. I'm not totally up to date on this stuff but I like my idea of where the slime part of the Guyver came from. Any good?

[*zeo]

Close enough, what you are refering to is what we call the Guyver organism. Indeed, it was discovered by Creators long before they came to Earth though how they made it into a unit was never described so we don't know if the CM was created for it or already existed since the CM has a secondary purpose for the Creators it may indeed have been around first.

The Guyver organism itself is extremely adaptable and can take on virtually any shape or form. The reason the rogue monster took on humanoid form was because it was the complete blending of host and Guyver organism so the Guyver organism is not only parasitic but it also assimulates what it eats into its makeup.

There is more but that gives you the basic essentials.

[Guest]

Dimensional energy from the 'Boost Dimension' has this strange effect of refreshing the organic material. This suggests it's origion is extra-dimensional. Either the parasite was discovered in an Advent expedition to the other dimension, or it was found on a world where some sort of rift between dimensions is strong.

Since the 'parasite' has a tendancy to use other creatures as it's base, I will go with the rift world view. (some psychic phenomena can also be explain with dimensional rifting) I'd say that on it's home world it hunted creatures with high mineral capacities (any creature that could generate a gravity/dimension field effect) Such a world might exist orbiting a black hole binary... where the gravity fields are already intense, making it easier for a creature to scratch the dimensional wall.

The Advent already use control metals in Relics and Unit Removers. Well, ok, the later was probebly invented for the unit-g in specific, so those don't really count. I'm still guessing though that they were already harnessing other life forms with Control Metal technology. Imagine what other creatures they turn into tools and vehicles with a Control Metal.

And yes, the control metal tells the guyver how to make weapons. But on a different species, the unit-g would make completely different tools that reflect the genetic nature of the host.

[Raven]

The Advent already use control metals in Relics and Unit Removers. Well, ok, the later was probebly invented for the unit-g in specific, so those don't really count. I'm still guessing though that they were already harnessing other life forms with Control Metal technology. Imagine what other creatures they turn into tools and vehicles with a Control Metal.

Hmm, good question. Never thought of the CM being used to control creatures other then the Guyver organism. I always assumed that Relics were Guyver organims themselves because the Gigantic unit is compatible with a standard unit. Ok, it could be said that it's the work of the CM, but I think their would still need to be some compatibility between the two creatures used (biologically speaking). Also, the Gigantic unit (which is a relic in a way) behaves and can be controled just as a standard, although more powerfull, unit. If the Creators could make a Guyver unit, why wouldn't they be able to shape and mold the G-organism (organims?) into a ship?

Of course, I could be completely wrong here.

[*zeo]

Dimensional energy from the 'Boost Dimension' has this strange effect of refreshing the organic material. This suggests it's origion is extra-dimensional. Either the parasite was discovered in an Advent expedition to the other dimension, or it was found on a world where some sort of rift between dimensions is strong.

Not necessarily, it is more likely the Guyver organism is simply capable of absorbing energy directly and converting it as needed. Extra-dimensional origin is not required for it to have that capability.

Never thought of the CM being used to control creatures other then the Guyver organism. I always assumed that Relics were Guyver organims themselves because the Gigantic unit is compatible with a standard unit.

I do agree that the CM existed long before the Creators acquired the Guyver organism, it's only logical after all, and most likely did indead use it with other life forms but my personaly opinion is that all their present organic tech is derived from the Guyver organism because of its extreme adaptability.

Mind you this does not mean the Relic and G-Units are exactly the same since the Guyver organism can easily be hybridized with other life forms as was shown with the rogue out of control Guyver monster that formed from G1's arm in the Manga.

But that is a point that me and YoungGuyver presently disagree on. After all it can be argued that the Guyver organism extreme adaptability would allow it to be compatable with any life form so the Relic Gigantic does not really need to be an identical organism. But I do find it more likely that they are indeed based on the same organism but as I stated that is just my opinion.

So until Takaya straightens that point out you are free to decide for yourself if that is or is not the case.

[*Jess♥]

I can agree with zeo1234 that they guyver and relic are indeed the same organism.

My reasoning for this is that as youngguyver stated the guyver is probably a dimensional creature that can break into dimensions. in the history of alkanphel we see that the creators travel through dimensional gateways with the relic ships so this seems to mesh together perfectly.

i do not feel that it is likely though that the guyver creature existed as a creature in the first place. for the creators to have such intimate knowledge of the creature so as to completely control it with their medal they must have created it or at least played around with it a great deal.

i am however open to persuasion.

[Guest]

If the Relic and the Regular armor are composed of exactly the same thing, why doesn't the regular armor just 'morph' into gigantic form? Why does the gigantic armor have to fit itself over top? If it's a question of programing in the control metal, I can understand the 'dual ring' (it's what the katakana calls it) fitting over top, but not adding an entire armor if the material is exactly the same. The Relic must at least be a little different in composition in order for there to be a reason to add on.

I will agree that -perhaps- they had the same origion.

As for the creators crossing dimensions, it's not a given that their tech has -Always- been biological. Gravity controllers look like hunks of metal, it's possible that they could have used mecha at one point in their past, and advanced into technology being and extension of themselves... in short, their tech advanced into biological. Why do we have to view them in an un-evolving state, as a state that we first came across them as?

[*zeo]

If the Relic and the Regular armor are composed of exactly the same thing, why doesn't the regular armor just 'morph' into gigantic form? Why does the gigantic armor have to fit itself over top? If it's a question of programing in the control metal, I can understand the 'dual ring' (it's what the katakana calls it) fitting over top, but not adding an entire armor if the material is exactly the same. The Relic must at least be a little different in composition in order for there to be a reason to add on.

IMHO, it is a matter of the CM and as for the reason it goes on top is very obvious. It is still basically a Relic because its CM is a Relic CM. It altered form and function because it linked itself to host CM. Since they are the same organism. They merge easily and the Gigantic becomes an extension of the host unit. There is really nothing to confuse about this as far as I'm concerned. If it wasn't for the Relic CM and the organism being the same then the host unit couldn't so easily integrate itself with the Giganitc and if not for the Gigantic CM the host unit would have simply absorbed the excess mass and we'd be left with just the host unit.

As for the organism being naturally able to cross dimensional barriers, lets remember the rogue Sho monster never left normal space. In fact it clearly states the Guyver Gravity Orb is responsible for the Guyver ability to store itself in hyperspace. So their is nothing to suggest the Guyver organism can naturally cross dimensional barriers on its own. Rather that is a result of the Creator tech the CM makes it form and use.

[Guest]

Thanks Zeo. It's great to concentrate on the wrong aspect. I asked why the regular armor doesn't just morph into gigantic form. As related tech, I believe they are linkable. A palm pilot can link with a computer. A regular armor was supposed to link with a relic for pilot ability anyway (it was designed to do so).

And yes, I agree that the gravity controller was a control metal additive. But Takaya also said it's purpose was to help feed the armor dimension energy. I like the idea of this being a trait the organic part had all along, which is why I suggested that before gravity controllers were bestoyed upon them, they lived in a gravity rich environment (black hole binary system) which would help bring them to the brink of the dimensional plain. It's possible, that for creatures living on that world, they could become naturally saturated with the energy just was human exposure to sunlight helps us develope vitamin D. The organic creature that became the unit-g possibly hunted down beasts on it's own world that had accumulated enough dimension energy.

Of coarse, you like to say that the guyver is so advanced that it can adapt in any way shape or form. I guess we'll have to disagree with philosophies. I like specifics; rules of operation procedure. I makes things seem more real to me.

[*zeo]

Thanks Zeo. It's great to concentrate on the wrong aspect. I asked why the regular armor doesn't just morph into gigantic form. As related tech, I believe they are linkable.

The wrong aspect!!! I gave you the answer. Forgive me for assuming you would automatically understand it. So fine, I'll spell it out...

Point 1) The Unit's are regulated by the CM so no matter the adaptability of the organism itself it is always regulated to limits imposed by CM. There is no way for it to turn itself into a Gigantic unless the Relic CM was perminently bonded to the host CM.

Point 2) Yes the Relic is made to work with the host unit but the Giganitic is different. It bypassed the normal limitation imposed upon it by its CM by reconfigering it to physically link up with the host unit. A normal Relic CM does not physically merge with a host unit CM

Which brings up point 3) The Giganitc CM is composed of both the outer Relic CM and the center Host CM. This Creates a New CM that lets the two work together to form the Gigantic. The host unit alone would not do this without at least the modified Relic CM. The original center peice of the Relic CM is gone so the Gigantic itself remains incomplete till it is activated on a Host unit.

Point 4) Even with the CM link up the organism's used to make the Relic and Guyver unit have to be compatable to fully integrate with each other. The simple fact the Relic organism can change its shape and function into an armored form by simply linking up to a host Unit CM clearly indicates the organism operates upon the same principle and it is thus only logical to assume both are based on the same originating organism.

A palm pilot can link with a computer. A regular armor was supposed to link with a relic for pilot ability anyway (it was designed to do so).

Sure a palm pilot can link to a computer but you don't see that computer boosting the palm pilot's processing power! It's a lot more than a link going on YoungGuyver.

To start, I disagree with the idea the organism originated from some exotic part of the universe with the natural ability to manipulate dimensional energy. For one there is no corroborating evidence in the Manga and nothing to suggest that would be even remotely true since it clearly shows the Gravity Orb is responsible for this ability and it is not natural to the organism. The confusion I believe is that you believe the Orb is feeding the unit some exotic dimensional energy that can't be used by any normal organism in the universe.

Consider, Strong gravity environments would not expose an organism to dimensional energy and anything near a black hole would run into time dilation that would slow evolution, not speed it up as would be required for this organism to achieve the ability to manipulate dimensional energy.

The Guyver organism in its dormant state is clearly a near formless life form so yes, it is extremely adaptable since it can be made to take on any shape and function because quite simply that is what the Guyver does in order to bond to a host and become a living weapon. Our own developing nanotechnology holds essentially the same potential with biological technology being the next logical step it is easy to see that the Guyver organism, being the raw material for Creator technology, indeed is very adaptable and can adapt to any shape and form required of it.

Now being fed energy via dimensional syphoning by the gravity control orb does not mean it needs to be so exotic as to be multi-dimensional itself. Energy is energy, dimensional or otherwise, the only difference is the shape and form it takes. The simple act of bringing this energy into our 3 dimensional universe would convert it into a form the organism could easily deal with.

The actual process of the Bio-Boosting is another matter but as you can now see my opinion is based not on philosophy but rather on logical and scientific deduction. And I did answer your question.

Oh, for those that still don't get it, the laymen explaination is the Relic made itself a Gigantic by replacing part of its operating core with the Host CM. The host CM is already configured to Create the Guyver armor so it, through the remaining peice of the Relic CM, reconfigured the Relic Organism to integrate with itself and become a merged extension of the host unit. The Relic organism is still part of the remaining Relic CM but it only takes on an armored form because of the host CM and the host unit can't support the increase power of the Giganitc on its own without the added support of the Relic CM so the Gigantic is only possible when the two work together.

I hope everyone can now understands this cause I can't say it any simplier than this. And yes I'm having a bad day.

[Raven]

I hope everyone can now understands this cause I can't say it any simplier than this. And yes I'm having a bad day.

LOL. Don't worry, everyone has those once in a while. And I find your explanation understandable enough.

I have to agree with Zeo. The fact that the hosts unit and the Gigantic upgrade work so well together, can't be just because of the CM in my opinion. I believe the biological aspect also has to be compatible in order for it to work so well.

Another thing. I believe we've overlooked an important clue here. We know the Guyver organism is highly adaptable. This ability comes from the organism itself, not the CM. The relic was able to do the same thing. It adapted (or at least part of itself) into a gigantic form. It changed it's original form into something new to accommodate to it's host wishes.

Not sure if I explained it clearly enough. I hope you can understand what I mean here.

[Guest]

Sorry about the bad day Zeo, I had no idea. It's kinda frustrating banging our heads against eachother. Since we're both guyvers, I'm surprised we havn't given eachother serious injuries, what with the horns and all.

The purpose of the palm pilot example was to say that the two technologies were designed to be compatible from the get go. Yes, they are both highly adaptable, and very similiar. If we were talking about mushrooms, I'd say that yes they 'could' both be classified as fungi, but one perhaps ****ake, and the other maitake. I am saying that there is some difference.

Even with your example, if the dual ring were to fit over top of the regular control metal, I would expect the programing to affect the regular armor. If the two are the same substance, I would expect them to both form the gigantic armor. But Zeo, you yourself said the host's feet extend down to the knees of the gigantic and such... as if there is no 'fusion morphing whatever' between regular and gigantic. (on a side thought, just useing this example seems ironic)

As for the energy. Takaya himself spelled it out in the visual data files that dimensional energy was being siphoned for an organic system. Yes, the gravity controller was added. But Takaya is linking gravity and dimensional crossing. I was simply carrying the idea onward. Balcus himself said in volume six that the guyver is a transcendental life form (talking about the cell structure when they analized guyver II). All I am doing is useing an energy that we already KNOW the purple goo uses. If later translations say that the goo can use others, then I'll opt in to it.

Drats, I'm in a rush now. I've got to hurry to get everything down. Oh well.

Oh, and about evolutionary rate, perhaps it was a planet that fell in closer to the gravity well after life had already been kick started. We can talk more about this later (lack of time)

Oh, and about adaptibility (this was the philosophy remark). The guyver isn't a god. It can't adapt to absolutely anything. It has limits, this has been shown. Believe me, I tried to find any which way and possible excuse for Guyver II to still be alive. I was really hoping that the bandaged man in vol 16 was Lisker, that his armor had found a way to regenerate. Unfortunetly it's Guyot. In 22 volumes, we have seen NO evidence that any of Lisker's bio armor has survived or adapted. I meen, When Sho mega smashed Aptom and Enzyme II, an arm was left in each case, yet nothing has survived and found an alternate power source and turned into a bioboosting monster thingy. It's been over a year storywise, and still nothing. Any armor that gets cut off the host in battle, as you pointed out, seems useless unless it has a sample of host with it to go rogue (and that's without the control metal in both cases to restrict it).

Oh well, I'm out of time. I just wanted to ask, back on topic, what origins would you give the purple goo? If not from a star system where it's energy/dimension properties stand an inkling of a chance of being explained?

[*zeo]

Sorry about the bad day Zeo, I had no idea. It's kinda frustrating banging our heads against eachother. Since we're both guyvers, I'm surprised we havn't given eachother serious injuries, what with the horns and all.

Fortunately I've calmed down enough to actually find that funny YoungGuyver. The basic problem is too many don't read what I post in its entirety. I'm normally a very patient and reasonable person but even I have my breaking point.

Even with your example, if the dual ring were to fit over top of the regular control metal, I would expect the programing to affect the regular armor.

That's not what I said, the dual ring is the combination of the host CM and the Outer added ring is the Remaining part of the Relic CM. The Relic gave up it's center top layer when it became the Giganitc. Basically, during the activation process the host CM extends out, much like it does when piloting a Relic, but then it plugs into the remaining layer of Relic CM to form the dual layer Giganit CM. So the reason the Relic organism takes the form of an armor is because it is being affected by the combined CM's of the Relic and host Unit. In other words the Relic adapted itself by merging its CM with the host pilot CM. Allowing the organisms of both to merge and form the Gigantic. I also never said the host gets stretched, that was your idea, I simply said if you overlayed the host unit over the Gigantic you would see the foot would be where the Giganitc's knee is.

As for the energy. Takaya himself spelled it out in the visual data files that dimensional energy was being siphoned for an organic system. Yes, the gravity controller was added. But Takaya is linking gravity and dimensional crossing. I was simply carrying the idea onward. Balcus himself said in volume six that the guyver is a transcendental life form (talking about the cell structure when they analized guyver II). All I am doing is useing an energy that we already KNOW the purple goo uses. If later translations say that the goo can use others, then I'll opt in to it.

Gravity already passes through dimensions, its the reason it is weaker over distance than the other forces of nature. Again you are assuming dimensional energy is so different that only something adapted to it could assimulate it. Transcendental simply means it does not have the normal limitations of organic life as we know it. The simple fact the armor and all the devices on it except the CM are created from the organism means it is in fact amazingly adaptable and can change itself as needed. In no way shape or form have I ever said this makes it god like. Simple conservation of energy prevents this but under the influence of the CM the organism can be made to do just about anything imagineable given enough energy, this is part of the reason I think the Relic is created from the same organism. The simple fact it can reform itself to created the Gigantic armor shows it too is highly adaptable. This in turn means the organism has already shown it can absorb virtually any form of energy since the Relic survives on thermal and solar energy.

Oh, and about evolutionary rate, perhaps it was a planet that fell in closer to the gravity well after life had already been kick started. We can talk more about this later (lack of time)

No need, the Guyver organism most like evolved in space. This would explain the lack of physical form of its own and its ability to absorb a wide spectrum of energy. It would also have exposed it to radiation that would have caused rapid evolution. Science in fact has shown that the components of life originated from space, this in turn would also have given it the time needed for such an advance lifeform to evolve so it could have been around long before Earth even cooled down enough for life to start here and would fit the time frame considering the Creator arrived here when life was just starting.

Oh, and about adaptibility (this was the philosophy remark). The guyver isn't a god. It can't adapt to absolutely anything. It has limits, this has been shown. Believe me, I tried to find any which way and possible excuse for Guyver II to still be alive. I was really hoping that the bandaged man in vol 16 was Lisker, that his armor had found a way to regenerate. Unfortunetly it's Guyot. In 22 volumes, we have seen NO evidence that any of Lisker's bio armor has survived or adapted. I meen, When Sho mega smashed Aptom and Enzyme II, an arm was left in each case, yet nothing has survived and found an alternate power source and turned into a bioboosting monster thingy. It's been over a year storywise, and still nothing. Any armor that gets cut off the host in battle, as you pointed out, seems useless unless it has a sample of host with it to go rogue (and that's without the control metal in both cases to restrict it).

All things have limits, I never said it didn't. Guyver 2 however was totally vaporized and that included the CM. This was made more clear when Takaya redid the art for that issue of the Manga. As adaptable as it is, it is still composed of organic matter so it can be destroyed just like any form of matter. Just because I say it is extremely adaptable does not mean I don't think it has limits. That is simply rediculous and I don't even know why you think I meant that. The other thing you are confusing is the assumption all the adaptability is solely from the organism. This is also not a clear representation of what I meant. It is the combination of the CM and the organism that gives it its extreme adaptability. Just like nanites needs its software to tell it what to do otherwise they are simply useless microscopic machines that might as well be paper weights except they are far too small.

Oh well, I'm out of time. I just wanted to ask, back on topic, what origins would you give the purple goo? If not from a star system where it's energy/dimension properties stand an inkling of a chance of being explained?

Partly answered this already above but to summarize, I believe the organism originated from space, probably a nebula and near forming stars. A parasitic organism it is primitive but highly adaptable under the right conditions since it can assimulate other lifeforms and take on their properties, such in the Sho monster. The Creators took this raw potential and through the CM basically used it like we intend to use Nanite technology. The CM provides the DNA blue prints the organism needs to form what ever the Creators want to Create making it the ultimate living technology. Simply altering the programming of the CM allows the organism to create anything the Creators needed. In short I believe the organism is the raw material for all Creator tech. Which is supported by the Manga considering all examples of Creator tech has a CM in it.

I.E.> Relics with their dual large CM's, The Guyver Unit's with their regular size CM's, and even the Unit Remover which has a CM that is revealed when the device opens for use.

Again I emphasis that the simple act of bringing energy from hyper space into normal space converts it so even though it started out as dimensional energy it is no longer so exotic by the time the unit starts using it from the host. So I find it illogical to assume the organism formed near a strong gravitational field that would have exposed it to dimensional energy. Basically it would have to be inside the event horizon of a black hole for this to happen naturally and that is with your suggestion of a planet getting into it after life on it had already started.

There is also the fact the Sho monster showed no dimensional ability what so ever. So the only logical conclusion is that all dimensional aspect is a factor induced by the CM. So the origin of the organism is not so exotic as you are presently thinking. Though I admit my view is also a little exotic it is in fact support with our present understanding of the origins of life in the universe which shows most of the basic elements needed to form life is already floating through space. It is simply the time scale and the fact the organism appears to have no solid physical form of its own that leads to my theory though it could also have formed in an ocean environment.

[Guest]

Yep

We agree on how the dual control metal formed and such (we can't really argue on that). All I am saying is that if both armors are composed of the same stuff the regular armor should morph into the gigantic form as well. The combined programing should take over, and view no difference between the material types. That is what would convince me of your opinion.... something like the regular armor stretching it's arms and legs to fit inside the gigantic at the very least (though I think it has to be stretched anyway-and you disagreed with that, hence ironic). Something of a mergance.

And yes, we can agree that a relic can survive on thermal and solar energy. The question might be what a guyver can survive on. When fragments of the armor are cut off in battle, we have not seen them switch to another source. we have not seen anything of a fragment to suggest it has survived without the host. Even the gigantic dark shoulder pod appeared to melt away after a short while, just like a zoanoid.

And with the sho monster, it had the chance to lash out at other human victoms, such as both Mitzuki and Tetsuo. It could have hunted other sources of energy. It focused on Sho. The only thing that made it turn away was the glowing control metal of the guyver.

My guess, it was after energy still infused into the host. A guyver would be one of the only creatures on Earth to carry that form of energy. (we're viewing the power systems very differently, so I know we're just gonna keep blasting eachother on this)

Yes, gravity crosses dimensions. Takaya is useing the gravity controller as a meens of siphoning dimension energy. I believe he is using a type of strong molecular bond as a field converter. If the purple goo creature evolved by mirror fusion of it's molecules, instead of chemical reactions, then grav energy would be nice (I'm really tired at the moment, please don't expect me to make really scientific sentances-it's street wheeler weekend). So basically, I'm thinking it's source of energy might explain how it can generate the types of matter it needs when rebuilding the host, and that it can only build what it has a sample of already (in terms of material), which is why each guyver doesn't have it's own uranium reactor.

And yes, I too believe the creators use control metals as the source of their tech. I just think they can use it to enslave other species.

I'm tired, and I don't know if I've covered everything or not, but meh, we're going to keep re-iterating our points anyway. Since it's obvious we disagree on some principals, I don't see much point in arguing until we get some new translations.

I like your space evolution idea though. It's nice. I've got to commend you for taking that approach.

[*zeo]

Yep

We agree on how the dual control metal formed and such (we can't really argue on that). All I am saying is that if both armors are composed of the same stuff the regular armor should morph into the gigantic form as well. The combined programing should take over, and view no difference between the material types. That is what would convince me of your opinion.... something like the regular armor stretching it's arms and legs to fit inside the gigantic at the very least (though I think it has to be stretched anyway-and you disagreed with that, hence ironic). Something of a mergance.

They do merge with my theory as well, I just see no reason why you would think it would stretch the host. Stretching is unnecessary since the primary thing that gets merges is the unit. The host does get partially stretched when merged with regular unit but the Gigantic is merging with the unit more than it is the host. Since it is the organism that can readily adapt to new forms when needed and not the host then it would be more logical for the unit to simply expand upon the unit rather than stretch the host. Besides, even with the merged CM you are still dealing with two different CM's, they are simply working together. Which is why the Gigantic can still be willed off to another Guyver with a stronger Will. If it was a full merger then that wouldn't be possible.

As for the fragments, remember they are not the pure organism, they are parts that had already been given a form and function. So when cut off they die like discarded flecks of skin. The Sho monster happened because the organism had the host DNA to work with and thus was able to change its form and function using the host DNA to build from. As for energy, it was already absorbing energy if you note since it substantially increased its mass to create the full Sho monster clone from the G1 arm. Conservation of energy means it had to be absorbing energy for it to accomplish that, not to mention how energetic it was when it went after Sho. So it simply went after Sho because it instinctively recognized itself and wanted to be whole again, not because he was the only thing it could eat.

Our own bio-technology is already developing bacteria that can create complex computer chips so no, I don't believe the organism needs to be exotic dimensional energy eating lifeform in order to fill its function.

Though I do agree the CM could possibly be used to enslave other species you are assuming there are many organisms that have properties similar to that shown by the Guyver organism. Often it is the simpler answer that is true so I believe it is the same organism for all their tech. Besides, humans are another species and we all know how well the CM worked in enslaving us

Frankly, the only other species I think are used in Creator tech are simply for the DNA database they use to create the devices they need through the Guyver organism, which I believe is the template and raw material from which they work with. But you're right, we both have our own opinions on this matter.

I like your space evolution idea though. It's nice. I've got to commend you for taking that approach.

Why thank you, as always I try to be logical and to consider all the possibilities. The space origin seems to make the most sense to me, though it does beg the question of the Creators origins and how they evolved so early in the universe.