*Jess♥ Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 how does sho fit in the guyver? it is quite obvious that the guyver is a completely different shape and then there is gigantic guyver!!! i have the visual data files book and it shows the inside of the guyver but it is not super clear. im thinking that the guyver actually changes the anatomy of shos body when he transforms..... any thoughts?
Guest Posted April 22, 2004 Posted April 22, 2004 When sho activates the unit. It gets rid of organs and replaces them with new ones. I dont know which ones, But i know it also adds new ones and inhances teh old ones. Making him taller for example.
Guest Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 As for replaceing organs (repeating what's been said a million times already), translated directly from the anatomy page itself, from the block by the right foot- the muscles and bone are genetically enhanced. The nervouse system is left alone. Everything else is digressed and the essentials are replaced. The armor provides superior lungs and heart. The digestive track is useless, so it's just left out so that it doesn't get in the way. As for how Sho fit's into the armor, you're going to get into an argument with Zeo on that one. I say the host is stretched- bones pulled from there sockets so the joints line up. There's still a huge chunk of book left to be translated
*zeo Posted April 23, 2004 Posted April 23, 2004 An arguement with me? Really though, the only thing in real contention between me and YoungGuyver is the matter of how the Guyver merges with the Gigantic Guyver. Other than that we all agree the Guyver unit itself is clearly a symbiotic living organism that merges with the human host, regulated by the Control Medal, to produce a combined being called the Guyver. Really, such an amalgamated merger could produce a being of virtually any form imagineable. It is only a matter of simplicity that the Guyver retains a humanoid form because of the host form (environmental adaption). The Guyver organism itself is formless, aside from tendrils, so relies on the host and the Control Medal regulation to give it form and function. So yes drag-5, Sho is not human when he's the Guyver.
*Jess♥ Posted April 23, 2004 Author Posted April 23, 2004 Wow! thanks. thats a pretty quick change then! i mean he gets stretched and morphed very quickly so he is likje a zoanoid. if he had the armor taken off like in one of the front covers you probablky wouldnt see his face then..... all this is so when i do my cg version of guyver i get it just right!!! whoahh! what about when the unit is forcibly removed? like with the unit remover? would the bio boosted human still have all new parts?
Guest Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 I like the way you say things Zeo, it's very nice phrasing. Yep, basically a Guyver is like a Zoaform. They are both aspects of creator technology. Zoaforms are DNA infused completely-they are the tool; while Guyvers are DNA add on-the control metal adds a creature on to you. Guyvers are hyper zoanoids, Gigantics are Zoalords. If you tried taking the mask off the guyver while still boosted, you just might see the human face. After all, how do you really digress skin? The armor probebly has tendril reaching into the nostrils and mouth ect, but because the clothing remains intact after boosting, I don't think the armor makes that many new holes/veins in the body to the armor. I don't think the human face would really do anything though. I think that when the guyver talks it is useing the sonic oscillator (mouth orbs) to generate speach. Oh, and we have seen the unit-remover used on Guyver-0. Aside from the fact that he looked terrified of Alkanfel, he looked alright. Until he was killed. The translation of vol 8 (which I'll be removing from my site soon because Chuang Yi is selling a translation soon) said that the unit remover deletes all human data from the control metal. Aside from the fact that the unlatching looks the armor popping off and turning into tendrils for the unit-g, we don't really know much. I'll asume that anytime the armor pops off the host's own organs are naturally restored. Since the whole thing -APPEARS- to happen so fast, I don't know if the genetic modifications to the muscle/bones are reversed. It might be interesting to have an impotent trace left behind (a trace of once being a guyver, but never being able to physically use that to your advantage).
Guest Posted April 24, 2004 Posted April 24, 2004 For the gigantic would it be possible that it is like a powered armor type suit. Kind of like a Hardsuit or the such only more advanced and alive?
Guest Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 By the Way, The reason why the armor doesn't just destroy the skin or clothes is because it's a bio-boosted ARMOR! The Armor part is a small hint, as it says, it's just an armor to protect the host. The weapons are part of the host, but same thing, it protects the hst as an Armor would prtect the host.
Guest Posted April 25, 2004 Posted April 25, 2004 Okay here is how I understand this. The Armor part is not the only part of the organism attatched to the host. In truth the guyver is a part of the host at all times in other words Sho is still genetically a Guyver even if he doesn't have the armor on. Evidence that supports this is when Agito goes to Relics Point he then proceeds to drop the charade and runs amok in the base, because the reason he was at relics point was to become a Hyper Zoanoid, and because during the phisical the doctors would know everything was not Kosher Agito decided to cease his act of loyalty to Cronos. Okay, now I am going to elaborate further on my theory. We all know that the organisms on the back of a host serve a transmitters to call the armor, but no one ever seems to point to what happens when an individuall first activates a unit to explain these things. Honestly guys you don't really think that the armor is the only part of the guyver and the armor just slaps on the host and thats that, no of course not the armor has already modified Sho genetically much like a zoanoid for a quick transformation. Otherwise a guyver would be no different than an Acceare. However the fact that the Guyver heals much faster than an Acceare proves that false. I am sure I have left out some details, but please bear with me I am surviving on 4 1/2 hours of sleep. It is Finals week, or as I affectionatly call it Jeff's Inferno! Oh incase you are wondering my name is Jeff. Oh God I hate Finals. Okay I haven't benn studiying, but still I hate this time of the semester.
*Jess♥ Posted April 26, 2004 Author Posted April 26, 2004 Wow, Cool! so the guyver is like a mini processing tube.... So when it was said that it was a tool for the creators, it is the ULTIMATE tool! its probably the center of all their technology like the micro chip... biology + genetics + computers = a guyver unit. i guess that sums it up! thanks guys!
Guest Posted April 27, 2004 Posted April 27, 2004 Okay my theory. The armour is pretty dense and when it straps onto Sho, the dense armour gives a bigger apperance to Sho. As for manevurability, the armour is dense for protection but maybe superlight for the host acseeiblity.
Guest Posted April 27, 2004 Posted April 27, 2004 i was thinking that the host doesnt really change at all when they become gigantic sized, think about it why would the host really need to?? if the control medal is direct neural link, modifications of the hosts body wouldnt really be necessary, with the control medal implanted directed into his brain when bio-boosted he basically moves da armor like it was his own fingers, or mayube the contrrol metal redirects the signals from his brain 2 the gigantics body, after all the gigantic armor is merely and add on of the original armor, so i really wouldnt see a reason for da body 2 change, the only inital reason i would see a change in muscular, sekeletal, and other systems is for the basic guyver armor, but of course, in each situation their will be big changes in the nervous system wether it be in the normal armor or gigantic upgrade.....the only thing i see that would really be needed in a permant change in the hosts body is the changes in the nueral and nervous system, it which would explain their telepathic abilities and their ability not 2 b physcicaly controlled by zoa-forms and creators......buty hey im just going on a rant....dont pay n e attention to me hehehehe
Guest Posted April 28, 2004 Posted April 28, 2004 Yes Magna, I think I am agreeing with you for a different reason. The armor doesn't destroy skin or clothes when the host boosts. The armor has a heart and such, and has been shown to bleed. Because the art book says the host is modified (internal organs) I am assuming that they are linked. Somehow blood should be passing through them. The clothes have been shown to get damaged when the guyver gets damaged, but not from normal use. The point I was trying to make is that the armor -probebly- uses already existing orafices such as nostrils to pass blood through. For a fanfic- it would be interesting to see a malfunctioning unit give it's host a bleeding nose after boosting... just as a hint that it's malfunctioning. Yes Weltall, we just pointed out that the artbook specifies what the changes are. It tells us specifically what genetic changes are made. You are right. We have known this for quite some time now. Of course, letting them look on Agito's back might just give it away too. By the way, are you on your second or third wind for the night? they are truly great, especially for getting over writers block. as for the host changing when he's in the gigantic armor... take a look at the leangth of the arm. The gigantic arm is longer than the host's; considerably. If you were to slide a human arm into a tube the leangth of a gigantic arm, the human arm wouldn't be able to bend. The elbows are in different places. The knees are in different places. The necks are in different places. Gigantic fingers wrap around guyver fingers, gigantic shoes wrap around guyver shoes. I say they wrap around then inflate to gigantic size, possibly separating the human joints (popping joints out of sockets). I currently believe the armor is wrapped around the human to leech energy from it mainly, and so each limb will act as a core. Another note about the human part, I think the human muscles should still be able to function-stretched, but still working (maybe a stretch of biology, but Takaya did go through all the trouble of modifying them, so I'd say they are still usefull).
daveblackeye152 Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 My turn my turn! I've always thought that the Guyver armor jut wraps around Sho but last night I was watching the t.v. show and I came up with an idea. You know the Guyver follows it's host while remaining in another dimenison (at least that was Tetusro theory) well mayber the Guyver fuses with the host. The Guyver puts Sho's conscience and takes his blood (and maybe other stuff) while Sho's body is teleported and temporarly put in the place where the Guyver stays during inactivity. Sho/Agito wouldn't know about this because they're conscinces is with the Guyver unit. I kind of like my theory but I really don't know what to believe.
*Jess♥ Posted April 29, 2004 Author Posted April 29, 2004 Yes Weltall, we just pointed out that the artbook specifies what the changes are. It tells us specifically what genetic changes are made. I currently believe the armor is wrapped around the human to leech energy from it mainly talking of the artbook, I noticed something interesting. The orbs that are all over gigantics body are actually all over normal guyvers body. they are just internal and not on show. on some rough translation of the japanese books i discovered that these are 'Power Amp's. so if these are power amplifiers then these are how the guyver increases the hosts strength.
*zeo Posted April 29, 2004 Posted April 29, 2004 By the Way, The reason why the armor doesn't just destroy the skin or clothes is because it's a bio-boosted ARMOR! The Armor part is a small hint, as it says, it's just an armor to protect the host. The weapons are part of the host, but same thing, it protects the hst as an Armor would prtect the host. Uh no, the reason it doesn't tear through the cloths is because it can easily bypass it. Remember this is a living weapon that can store itself in hyper space. A barrier such as cloths doesn't even compare. The unit can either go around through existing orafices, like YoungGuyver suggested, or right through the cloths like they weren't even there. Even our skin can be easily bypassed under the right conditions and any device that can alter our DNA can easily get around any such barrier. My turn my turn! I've always thought that the Guyver armor jut wraps around Sho but last night I was watching the t.v. show and I came up with an idea. You know the Guyver follows it's host while remaining in another dimenison (at least that was Tetusro theory) well mayber the Guyver fuses with the host. The Guyver puts Sho's conscience and takes his blood (and maybe other stuff) while Sho's body is teleported and temporarly put in the place where the Guyver stays during inactivity. Sho/Agito wouldn't know about this because they're conscinces is with the Guyver unit. I kind of like my theory but I really don't know what to believe. You're thinking something like Dark Hawk from Marvel Comic's. No, the Guyver clearly merges with the host. Body swapping does not occur. As for the Gigantic, as I stated before the only point of contention between me and YoungGuyver is on the matter of how the Guyver bonds to the Gigantic. Strangely enough my theory is closer to evoklumsy's since my observations of the Gigantic when damaged indicate to me that the host unit remains deep within the Gigantic but my findings aren't totally conclusive so I won't argue my theory over YoungGuyver's until we get more translated from the Manga. Though there is an alternate theory that the host unit simply gets absorbed into the Gigantic so aside from the CM there would be no concerns of how the body fits into the Gigantic. Talking of the artbook, I noticed something interesting.The orbs that are all over Gigantic's body are actually all over the normal Guyver's body as well. They are just internal and not only for show. On some rough translation of the japanese books I discovered that these are 'Power Amp's. So if these are power amplifiers then these are how the guyver increases the hosts strength. Not entirely but yes they are part of how the Guyver works.
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