Guyver telepathy

[thanosfan82586]

I was wondering, if the hosts of two guyvers didn't speak each other's native language, would they be able to understand one another using the organisms on their backs? Or would it still seem that they are speaking a foreign language?

[Guest]

I think that the hosts of the guyvers that speak another language would be able to understand each other because the Units are very intelligent (besides the fact they are killers) and have a mind of it's own and I believe that the creators might have thought of this before hand and has made the ability to make the hosts understand each other. To make it simple, think of how the internet works, it's a translater basicly.

[Celestial]

Yes, Magna is right on this one. The telepathic abilities of the guyvers go beyond language barriers. Sully addressed this issue when he brought Faye into the storyline.

Hope this helps you

[WarriorZoalord]

Yes, Magna is right on this one. The telepathic abilities of the guyvers go beyond language barriers. Sully addressed this issue when he brought Faye into the storyline.

Hope this helps you

Don't forget Guyver 0 could talk to humans through his creator telepathy, but since guyvers are immune to telepathy he had to use his unit to talk to them/

[Guest]

I'm not going to use fanfics for my answer.

We once had an exchange student in our class, and she answered a very important question for us. I think she said she was from Argentina, but the point is that she said it took a few months for her to finally start dreaming in English. That was a very important philosophical question that a group of us had for the longest time.

Biologically then, in the brain the language center fills up (man, am I useing bad ways to explain things)-something like a group of neurons per word. so the words that we learn are clumped together in a region of the brain. Something that is important... when we learn new languages, if we learn them at the same time the words of the same language are packed closely together (the group of neurons are packed close together). But if a language is learned years later (this is the important part), then the words for different languages are held in different areas of the language section of the brain (this meens that it counts it as a completely new word-it's as if you are learning it all over again, despite the same meening).

This is important because it meens that our brains are personally tailored for our own language... there is no translator.

There is however some common ground after all (mind readers will like this). The hormones and other such behavior affecting fluids that coarse through our veins are all the same (basically). So if we were to transmit this information from brain to brain, it shouldn't be too hard to figure out what's going on in someone's head.

I'll point out that a study has been done on telepathy that really shows promise... but only to the point of getting vague imagry from about a mile away; and only after concentrating for a few hours. So there might be a common ground for language translation, but probably not based purely on the spoken word.

So for the telepathy organisms, Takaya hasn't clearly cut an explaination if the telepathy organisms will act as universal translators for guyvers. I'll guess that they have to speak the same language.

Takaya has shown us a form of mind linking that does translate... heck, it actually links two minds together. When Sho merged with the Relic, the relic became an extension of both his body -and- his mind. He knew everything the relic did. It's possible that with enough glowy light bandwidth two guyvers can communicate telepathically through their control metals without any worry of a language barrier. They'll probebly have to concentrate though (lotsa gloey light), and it might be like joining their minds together, acting as extensions of eacher (which is an alien concept, I doubt few fanfic writers here can pull it off)

[*zeo]

This is all true but we are born with the ability to produce every sound pattern of every language. It is only as we learn to speak our parents' language that we become specialized. Language is something we have developed as a species so areas of our brain are set aside for it. Only in how we use language do we really specialize our brains through memory and link the language part of our brains to the rest.

Language then becomes for each of us a mix of words, concepts, memories, and emotions. So even if two people are raised under the same conditions, the way they process language would not be the same. This is simply how our brains work and is one of the many things that makes each of us unique.

Now for telepathy, this is a concept many misunderstand. It is not like speach or any other known form of communication. Telepathy by definition is a linking of minds. So it doesn't really matter what language someone speaks. In true telepathy, and in simpliest terms, the two minds work off each other so as far they are concerned both are speaking in each others language. So there would be no barrier of language. Unless one or both have a word or concept the other does not, as one can not understand something one has never experienced. Depending on how the other's mind processes the information the unknown word or concept can come out as gibberish, or nothing at all, or even in the other person's language.

However, this entirely depends on whether the form of telepathy is true telepathy.

Science for example can allow us to implant perminent cellphones into our skulls, they are actually working on that btw, and we can communicate with each other at will. Combined with advances in neuro computer interfaces we would not even need to speak to communicate but this would not be true telepathy though it would be hard to tell it apart from the real thing to an outside observer.

Even a basic neuro link between two people who speak the same language may not let them be able to understand each other with a simple mental link unless something also allows the user to actually access the other's mind as an extension of their own. For many sci-fi writers this was explained by having the person have a special brain organ/section that both allowed the link and processed the information into something useful.

The Guyver unit however can use true telepathy because the Guyver is linked not only to the host nervous system but is also hardwired to the host brain throught the CM. Since we know the unit can fully restore the host mind if damaged we can then conclude the unit completely maps out the host brain. So true telepathy is possible with the Guyver.

The example of the Relic is a good one, another being the Gigantic which physically links with the host unit CM, but that level of linking is only required for the Guyver and Relic/Gigantic to act as one. Simple communication does not require that level of linking so a light show would not be required.

Needless to say this is hardly a simple topic. There are many levels of telepathy and alternate means of communication that blur the lines of what is telepathy. There are even alternate methods for establishing a telepathic link. So it all depends how in depth you want to get with the concept. Frankly, most sci-fi writers rarely get more detailed than having people talk with their mouths closed because lets face it this is literally a very cerebral topic

Since science has yet to truly prove to the world, let alone understand how it works, that telepathy is reality. We are left to our own imaginations and can only give our own opinions on the subject.

Personally, I think it is fully possible for a Guyver to communicate to any other Guyver, no matter the language or even species barrier.

[Guest]

Depending on how the other's mind processes the information the unknown word or concept can come out as gibberish, or nothing at all, or even in the other person's language.

However, this entirely depends on whether the form of telepathy is true telepathy.

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Even a basic neuro link between two people who speak the same language may not let them be able to understand each other with a simple mental link unless something also allows the user to actually access the other's mind as an extension of their own.

Yes, That's why I'm thinking that only Guyvers that already speak the same language can communicate through the organisms on the hosts back. In the manga, it seems that Sho and Agito are simply talking to eachother. There was not the slightest hint of Sho sharing any part of Agito's mind, no hint of him learning Agito's plans.

The Guyver unit however can use true telepathy because the Guyver is linked not only to the host nervous system but is also hardwired to the host brain throught the CM. Since we know the unit can fully restore the host mind if damaged we can then conclude the unit completely maps out the host brain. So true telepathy is possible with the Guyver.

This is the best argument you have. This is the one thing that might let me believe you. If anything though, I'd say that the telepathy growths act as a translator, translating analogous to morse code (anime). But we went down that argument road before, and I don't think you liked it.

The example of the Relic is a good one, another being the Gigantic which physically links with the host unit CM, but that level of linking is only required for the Guyver and Relic/Gigantic to act as one. Simple communication does not require that level of linking so a light show would not be required.

I completely agree with you here. The mind of Sho and the relic were as one, were shared. It did a light show before it started to share memories. That's why I say control metals for true telepathy, for sharing minds.

[*zeo]

Yes, That's why I'm thinking that only Guyvers that already speak the same language can communicate through the organisms on the hosts back. In the manga, it seems that Sho and Agito are simply talking to eachother. There was not the slightest hint of Sho sharing any part of Agito's mind, no hint of him learning Agito's plans.

Again it depends on the level of communication you are talking about, the link does not have to be a conscious one to be classified as telepathy. Remember Agito was able to sense when Sho appeared to have died and later he could sensed him within the Gigantic Cocoon. Even Valcus was able to sense someone was within the Gigantic cocoon. This is clear examples of non verbal communication and a trademark for telepathy/empathy.

Also consider, two factors, one the Guyver is still a human so host mind is not exactly set up to take full advantage of telepathy even if it is the true kind. Two, the fact the Guyver unit is conducting the telepathy means the host would not necessarily be fully aware of how the telepathy is being processed. So as far as the host is concerned the telepathy is a subconscious connection but still falls within the realm of what can be classified as true telepathy.

But admittedly until Takaya has them communicate with a none japanese Guyver then we can't be fully sure.