Zoalords

[Guest]

Besides Gyro, Alkanphel, and Imakarum, do any of the other zoalords show their true forms at anytime in the manga. I'd like to see Waferdanos in his true appearance.

[Guest]

um... he's a fur ball. His power is Hair whips, just like in Japanese folklore (I thing). If you've ever seen the movie 'The White Witch' (I think that's how the title goes), his attacks are kinda like hers, only on a much bigger scale.

We've also seen Rienzi and someone else

[Sully]

We've also seen Prug'stall Zoalord from which was based on lightning/long range attack.

[Guest]

Alkanphels desgin is by far the most impressive of them all.

[jedi-guyver]

NO duh Alkanphel is the orginal all of the others come FROM him.

[Guest]

I think Murakami's proto-zoalord form is cooler looking than his newer for as Imakarum. He has that hilarious smirk as he is dicing up enzymeII's.

[Guest]

Can anyone fill me in on what is a zoa-lord?

I saw one on the 12 anime episode The Guyver, are the zoa-lords the aliens that landed on earth and made the zoidaniods, humans, etc.?

[jedi-guyver]

No zoalords are basically genrals of zoiniods and are generally 2x a guyver. The ones who created humans are the Creaters or Advents.

[Guest]

um, 2x a guyver? That's an rpg stat? Very interesting power scale, considering a guyver's black hole is fist sized, and can only suck up air, while a zoalord's black hole can take out an entire city, even a planet if it charges up. Very interesting power scale.

[Guest]

I reckon Zoaords are something like 5x or 6x maybe higher,

[guyverfanatic]

um, 2x a guyver? That's an rpg stat? Very interesting power scale, considering a guyver's black hole is fist sized, and can only suck up air, while a zoalord's black hole can take out an entire city, even a planet if it charges up. Very interesting power scale.

Guyvers cannot create black holes (unless it was Guyver Zoalord).A Guyver's gravitational abilities are limited to pressure cannons and flight. That's it.

I believe jedi-guyver ment that the Zoalords in the guyver manga are twice the power of a normal guyver, hence the 2x. The advents (or Creators) are able to create zoalords of Alkanphel's power (40x power of a guyver) to twice the power of a guyver since, they have much vaster resources at their disposal then Chronos does.

[Guest]

Guyvers cannot create black holes (unless it was Guyver Zoalord).A Guyver's gravitational abilities are limited to pressure cannons and flight. That's it.

I believe jedi-guyver ment that the Zoalords in the guyver manga are twice the power of a normal guyver, hence the 2x. The advents (or Creators) are able to create zoalords of Alkanphel's power (40x power of a guyver) to twice the power of a guyver since, they have much vaster resources at their disposal then Chronos does.

The wrist pads of the Guyver armor are energy compressors. The gravity controller provides the energy, which is then folded into a temporary singularity (also known as a black hole). The singularity sucks up and compresses atmospheric gases. The singularity is directed at a target before it breaks down. The singularity lacks the stability of a true black hole, as it breaks down on target, and releases all of it's contents, damaging the target. Aside from the fact that it's only temporary and very weak, the pressure canon is a black hole attack.

And the Zoalords that Chronos makes are that week? The gravity power of Gyuo was enough to move dark clouds around in the sky as a side effect. I don't think it's been commented on a Guyver doing that. I'd say that's a little more than 2x. I will agree with you very easily on Alkanfel being very much more powerful that Chronos made Zoalords; no argument.

[guyverfanatic]

The wrist pads of the Guyver armor are energy compressors. The gravity controller provides the energy, which is then folded into a temporary singularity (also known as a black hole). The singularity sucks up and compresses atmospheric gases. The singularity is directed at a target before it breaks down. The singularity lacks the stability of a true black hole, as it breaks down on target, and releases all of it's contents, damaging the target. Aside from the fact that it's only temporary and very weak, the pressure canon is a black hole attack.

And the Zoalords that Chronos makes are that week? The gravity power of Gyuo was enough to move dark clouds around in the sky as a side effect. I don't think it's been commented on a Guyver doing that. I'd say that's a little more than 2x. I will agree with you very easily on Alkanfel being very much more powerful that Chronos made Zoalords; no argument.

Ok, so I was wrong about the guyver's gravitional abilities. Anywho, yes, I would say that all of the zoalord (Alk not included) are equal in power to a gigantic guyver, the only difference is that each zoalord has unique abilities that are based upon Alk's since they have each recieved one of his zoa-crystals.

[*zeo]

um, 2x a guyver? That's an rpg stat? Very interesting power scale, considering a guyver's black hole is fist sized, and can only suck up air, while a zoalord's black hole can take out an entire city, even a planet if it charges up. Very interesting power scale.

Zoalords of the Manga are very specialized except for Alkanphel and Imakarum. The average Zoalord is only 2x but each has a special elemental power.

I.E.> Guyot was the only one of the regular supreme zoalords capable of generating a black hole attack.

The thing to remember is that it was for him a specialized attack that focused the totality of his power into a single attack and is thus directly comparable to the Guyver's Mega Smashers.

It was only capable of destroying a planet if he managed to give it enough energy to become a true black hole, in which case it is the nature of that weapon that then gives it the power to destroy a planet since all surrounding matter then contributes to fueling the black hole.

I.E.> It basically a chain reaction.

Any other form of energy would not have that level of destructive power.

I.E.> Prug'Stall could focus an entire lightning storm energy on a single target but the resulting blast would not destroy more than a couple city blocks. Even though he puts about as much energy into his attack as Guyot does.

A Mega Smasher's energy comes only from the Guyvers but in terms of what energy was put into the attack they are about equal.

You really have to look at the whole picture when considering these things and try to keep things in perspective.

Also consider the fact that the Guyver Mega Smashers are powerful enough to kill a Zoalord if hit by both.

I.E.> It took Guyot days to fully recover after getting hit by one. If he was trully many times more powerful than a Guyver then even the Mega Smasher should not have hurt him as the power to destroy planets would have easily have shielded the attack or even allowed him to warp it back like Alkanphel showed was possible.

[jedi-guyver]

Isnt Rienzi power to create portals.

[Guest]

I would agree that a gigantic guyver is in the same range as a zoalord. It's very agreeable. Gigantic fought Imakarum and Purgstall (have I got the right name?) and they were equally equiped in terms of speed, streangth, and stamina. Gigantic Dark had a few fights too.

If they are about the same level... then compare the abilities of a Guyver to a Gigantic. The pressure canon has the ability to blow away half of Enzyme's head. The Gigantic pressure canon can put a hole the width of a skyscarper, taking out all the steel and concrete in the process. Is that a 2x difference? A regular guyver has the ability to 'float', while a Gigantic has thruster jets(whatever they are officially called), and the zoalords appear to be able to keep up (along with zoanoids, so not really much of a point other than noting guyver increase).

And yes, a megasmasher is pretty hard to defend against. Applying streangth in order to generate a shield, I guess I would say that in manga is would be that easy. I guess we might want to look into this.

Oh, and yes, Rienzi has the ability to warp the fabric of space, but not time. He can basically create worm holes/hyper gates across the dimensions

[Guest]

I have to say something, after hearing that guyver can do only two things, I MUST OBJECT! you forgot the hi-freq. swords, and the laser on it's head, there I said my peace!

[jedi-guyver]

If they are about the same level... then compare the abilities of a Guyver to a Gigantic. The pressure canon has the ability to blow away half of Enzyme's head. The Gigantic pressure canon can put a hole the width of a skyscarper, taking out all the steel and concrete in the process. Is that a 2x difference? A regular guyver has the ability to 'float', while a Gigantic has thruster jets(whatever they are officially called), and the zoalords appear to be able to keep up (along with zoanoids, so not really much of a point other than noting guyver increase).

But you forget that a gigantic is an "upgrade" in that it is from a relic that it has its powers. The pressure cannon is only twice as powerful, by itself, but a gigantic has two more gravitational orbs, and all three of them combined can blow a hole threw a skycrarper, if it has enough time to CHARGE. As for the thrusters those are from the actual ship enabling a gigantic to go at the speed it goes.

[Guest]

ok, I've finally got the time to get back to this.

First, this isn't a data file, I'm keeping it short and not going over every single weapon. That was never the intention.

and yes, it was just pointed out that a Gigantic has at least three gravity controllers. Considering that gravity controllers are what siphon the dimensional energy, in terms of energy supply, should we not call it a 3x boost at least? (regular armor has one gravity orb, gigantic has three)

and yes, the thrusters make it go faster. That was my point. It is an enhancment that puts it on par with zoalord.

[*zeo]

Yes, this is not a Data File but there appear to be some misconceptions.

It is a bit erroneous to assume that because some abilities of a character may be above their rated power level that their power level should be stated as higher. As I said many times before the 2x is an average rating accounting for a characters overall power.

A Gigantic may seem much more powerful than a normal Guyver but that power is balanced by how much energy the Gigantic can use before it falls off.

I.E.> A Gigantic can only fire its Hyper Smashers once and doing so would force the Gigantic to fall off very shortly after that. A Normal Guyver doesn't have that strict limitation with its Mega Smashers.

So overall power must be about the same. The Gigantic is just more efficient in using that power.

A Gigantic also only uses the thrusters when facing their target and delivering either a power punch or chest blade/spear attack.

I.E.> The positioning of the thrusters do not allow there use when flying backwards, head first(Which Gigantic G1 has done a lot), or either up or down unless at an angle.

So when saying a Zoalord can keep up with a Gigantic, it should be noted this only refers to the Gigantic's normal speed and not its thruster enhanced speed. Those who have read the Manga will note the only Zoalords to ever intercept a Gigantic while the thrusters were in use was when the Zoalord teleported.

Since a normal Guyver doesn't just float, they can fly up to 300 MPH, and Gigantics have not been shown going supersonic without thruster assist that their gravity powered flight must be limited to below the speed of sound. 300 MPH is close to half the speed of sound at a subsonic limit it means the Giganitc can only be about 2x as fast as a normal Guyver.

The thrusters are a seperate factor that appears to be mainly for quick bursts of speed, as when GG1 used it so he could power punch a fake Zoanoid Gigantic(made up of three zoanoids) that had proven too quick to otherwise catch.

As to the power of the Gravity orbs, in the pressure cannon example, when comparing the Kronos tower to a zoanoid it should be noted zoanoids are a bit more durable than the materials that make of a skyscraper. Also remember that Zektole is the only unshielded zoaform that can withstand a normal Guyver's Pressure Cannon without either having rapid regeneration or hard to kill like Enzymes.

So of the Giganic's abilities the Pressure Cannon may seem the most enhanced but remember the power of the Pressure Cannon does not come from the host. GG3 was also on the ground when he fired that massive pressure cannon and put as much effort into the attack as a normal Guyver would to fire a triple attack. Remember he was a bit angry at the time. A Gigantic would also have a greater ability to focus gravity energy, in addition to its greater power, accounting for the power of the attack.

In fact that was my point with the Guyot example. He did not literally have the power to destroy a planet. He only had the ability to create a true black hole if he, at full strength, channeled all his power into creating one. The nature of the black hole would then do the rest.

Simply because a character is capable of doing something beyond their classified power level does not mean they are actually more powerful than their indicated power level.

I.E.> As a fan fic example, Dreadnought's Matrix Bomb is argueably his most powerful weapon but the power of the attack does not come from him. He only triggers the effect by taking advantage of the natural energy contained even in the vacuum of space. It doesn't really make him more powerful than the power level indicated for him.

[Guest]

Thanks, zeo1234. This information is great! I've had the manga for a while and I'm still trying to get a grip on several topics.

[Guest]

Thanks Zeo.

I can submit to most of that. Just a few problems here and there. First, I hardly believe that a head of an Enzyme is supposed to compare to the entire width of a building. I can understand the streangth of maybe one steel girder, that I could understand... but the amount that would have to be taken out in a tower? That's a little much.

You also didn't explain how three gravity controllers would only provide as much energy as one gravity controller (dimensional energy siphoning)

[*zeo]

Well if you want me to spell it out, its a little thing called capacity!

Even with three Gravity Control Orbs you're still working with one simple human host body. Adding additional gravity orbs mainly makes the whole thing more efficient, not necessarily more powerful.

As to durability, most Zoanoids are about as durable as small tanks. In the Manga it takes a lot more than bullets to even hurt one while the normal Guyver Pressure Cannon can punch right through even the impact absorbing armor of Zerebubuse chest and leave a hole big enough that most of us can just dive through.

For anyone who has seen that level of firepower used on a building, such as a tank shell fired into a building, knows a skyscraper might as well be made of cardboard. Remember for zoanoids to be even bullet proof their skin/armor would have to be about 20 times stronger than steel and the strongest material used in skyscrapers are steel.

True it takes a significant amount of power to blast a gaping ten story hole through a skyscraper but is not enormously greater than the power of normal Guyver pressure cannon. Considering the blast given off by Agito expanded significantly before impact so the hole matched the diameter of the pressure cannon upon impact, similar to the impact damage of a normal Guyver's Pressure Cannon.

Besides which the power of the Pressure Cannon comes from gravity and thus is external to the power from the host Bio-Boost. So is not an accurate indicator of the Guyver's power other than its ability to control power. Which is what I indicated before.

The Mega Smasher is a much better indicator and even a normal Guyver's single blast is capable of doing more damage than a Gigantic's Pressure Cannon.

You must look at the whole picture to keep perspective before deciding on a character's power level.

[Guest]

First, I hardly believe that a head of an Enzyme is supposed to compare to the entire width of a building. I can understand the streangth of maybe one steel girder, that I could understand...

I think I should point out that the Enzyme example, I assume for Anime because I can't recall a similar incident in manga and if it had to do with the later Enzyme models you would have probably said so, is a little flawed as the Pressure Cannon wasn't a solid hit. If you pay attention to its path it is more of a glancing hit. Whether that was just Sho's lack of accuracy or Enzyme's rather amazing speed mainly I'm not sure but it is there. Besides which the blasting through armored doors with ease in Data 6 would be a much more meaningful comparison example.

[Guest]

I think you guys are kinda getting off the subject now.