OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Look at some power levels: If the Guyver Zoalord was 200x than the zoalord before bonding with the unit was 2x. So if Zeugma and Kron made up for Alk and Zeugma is 22.5x than kron must had been around 7-8x(estimate). So fully healed Alk was around 30x full zoalord form. Now if a warrior unit was to bond with Alk it would fully heal him. We know a warrior unit boost around 4x whatever the host already has we are looking at a 12000x WG-Alk. Please correct if i'm wrong on this one.
Guest Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 As zeo stated in a recent discussion about guyver enhanced zoaforms, the guyver does not always multiply strength by the same value for different beings. Classic example would be the guyver zoanoid; are you telling me chronos makes a zoanoid so pathetic it is only 2 times a normal humans strength? I don't think so. The guyver unit works with potential ability and power. The original Guyver Zoalord was proly at least 5x, though I would say much more, seeing as how the zoalords of old are supposed to be much more powerful then zoalords made by Alk.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 ok So could someone Give me some Numbers to take a look at so we come up with a conclusion on what Warrior Guyver Alk would be?????
Lost Soul Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 For a Warrior Guyver alk, no clue, sorry, but Alki fully healed is a 40X character. I think you have to wait until Zeo answers the calculation thingy for Warrior Guyver Alk.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 For a Warrior Guyver alk, no clue, sorry, but Alki fully healed is a 40X character. I think you have to wait until Zeo answers the calculation thingy for Warrior Guyver Alk. I think your right Cause dreadnought did have to power boost to beat him in the alternate Universe when he was healed by the matrix.
Guest Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Alkenphel is 40x, Zeugma is 22.5x and Kron is 10x. The Zoalord that became the Guyver Zoalord was 2x. What is more likly to happen is Alkenphel will gaim more warrior powers while in the cocoon.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 Alkenphel is 40x, Zeugma is 22.5x and Kron is 10x.The Zoalord that became the Guyver Zoalord was 2x. What is more likly to happen is Alkenphel will gaim more warrior powers while in the cocoon. Ok i was right about two and pretty close on the other two. So if Alk got his hands a warrior unit what level would he be than is it 16000x????
Guest Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Wait a minute. Where does it say that the guyver zoalord was a 2x zoalord? I musta missed that.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 well it was a little estimate on what we know about the guyver zoalord. Just read my first post of this topic
Guest Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 ... Did everyone in this thread completely disregard my first post? We already discussed this, the zoalord that activated the guyver unit was almost surely more powerful then 2x. Hell, alks zoalords are about 4x in the manga(I think, dont shoot me if Im a little off). The creators made much better zoalords then Alk could make, just look at Alk himself! The guyver would not have multiplied the zoalord by the full 100x its normal power. Where's Zeo when you need him, it seems everyone listens to him.
*zeo Posted August 20, 2003 Posted August 20, 2003 Zoalords were up to 2x in Manga as they only about equaled the Gigantic at best, aside from Alkanphel. In Time War, the GZ was made from an inferior Zoalord-Brian has stated that before on the board, so he was only 2x and the armor made him 200x. He got the full 100% boost because Zoalords generate a lot of bio-energy so potential bio-boost is full. Guyver Zoanoid however produces very little bio-energy and most of his power comes from the design of his body. Since the armor works off Bio-Boost, Guyver Zoanoid lack of potential only makes him 2x. Warrior Alkanphel has already been theorized multiple times on this board. Since the WG unit bio-boosts 400xhost then a fully healed Alkanphel would be 16,000X, or 1,600,000 men. Also since he can blow up a moon with his normal power then as Warrior Guyver Alkanphel he would have the power to blow up a planet.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 20, 2003 Author Posted August 20, 2003 Well I was not a part of this forum when you guys discussed this but for the most part I was right on my estimate that I made but I thought that Alk fully healed was 30x, not 40x (But like I said Dread did have to power boost to fight him in the alternate universe). Well what I'm getting at is Dreadnought could never hope to beat him if that was to happen nor could the Creators.
*zeo Posted August 21, 2003 Posted August 21, 2003 That is why it is good to read the old Topics before they get deleted. I.E.> There was a Topic that has only recently been deleted about a month ago that pretty much answered the question of Dreadnought's chances against a Warrior Guyver Alkanphel. But now you have to guess at the answer all over again, as the admin answer to that question is... A) Will never happen! And on What If? B) "No Comment!"
McAvoy Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Actually it being discussed right now. So if this zoalord is inferior to the normal Creator made Zoalord, then wouldn't the normal Zoalords be around 4x? But then again, Sully has said befopre that Kron was a Master Zoalord at 4x level. So if these zoalords are indeed 2x, what's inferior about the Guyver Zoalord's zoaform? I always thought it was the Guyver unit itself.
guyverfanatic Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 Actually it being discussed right now.So if this zoalord is inferior to the normal Creator made Zoalord, then wouldn't the normal Zoalords be around 4x? But then again, Sully has said befopre that Kron was a Master Zoalord at 4x level. So if these zoalords are indeed 2x, what's inferior about the Guyver Zoalord's zoaform? I always thought it was the Guyver unit itself. The creators have much more vast resources to create zoalords. The creators probably made a caste system for the zoalords, but this is just a guess.
Sully Posted August 22, 2003 Posted August 22, 2003 The rewrite will make this a little clearer. But Kron was the strongest after Zeugma.
OverLord Supreme Guyver(O Posted August 25, 2003 Author Posted August 25, 2003 Actually it being discussed right now.So if this zoalord is inferior to the normal Creator made Zoalord, then wouldn't the normal Zoalords be around 4x? But then again, Sully has said befopre that Kron was a Master Zoalord at 4x level. So if these zoalords are indeed 2x, what's inferior about the Guyver Zoalord's zoaform? I always thought it was the Guyver unit itself. I don't get what your trying to say because the zoalord that became the Guyver zoalord was infact created by the creators. Also this Zoalord was sort of a low level zoalord nothing on the scale of Zeugma and kron.
*zeo Posted August 25, 2003 Posted August 25, 2003 Ok, McAvoy you missed my point. It was already discussed before, just because it is being discussed now does not help you since you have to refigure out the answers all over again. As to the Guyver Zoalord, to make things a little clearer, there are different levels of power for each power range. Just because someone is classified as 2x does not mean he will be as powerful as others who are also rated at 2x. Things like stamina can easily set them apart as well as range of abilities. Also note GZ got stronger through the second half of Time War. Kron was a master class zoalord so he had all the Zoalord abilities at his power range of 4x and would not have tired as quickly as the other Zoalords. But for those still having a problem with this, like Brian said what till we rewrite that fic and everything will be much clearer.
McAvoy Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 Actually I already know that. But what I am saying is that in the Meeting of Warriors fic, Jason said a zoalord was given a buttered down Guyver unit. In the Time War fic, one of the Zoalords said the Guyver Zoalord was a hundred times more powerful than Warrior Guyver. In the Creator datafile said he is in fact only 200 times more powerful than a normal Guyver. Now it's the Zoalord that is in fact buttered down not the unit. So, which one is it? The unit or the Zoalord? Or neither? Because if either are buttered down, than a full Guyver Zoalord with a non-buttered down Guyver unit or Zoalord host, would produce a being more powerful than 20,000 men. Think of it this way (keep in mind it's an example, and the Guyver Zoalord is 200x): If the Guyver unit is buttered down: Guyver Unit(50x)xZoalord(200x): 10,000 men, so therefore: Zoalord must be 400 men in order to be at 20,000 men as a Guyver Zoalord. If the Zoalord is buttered down: Guyver Unit(100x)xZoalord(100x): 10,000 men, so therefore: Zoalord must be 400 men in order to be 20,000 men as a Guyver Zoalord. If the above is true, then neither can be buttered down to maintain the Guyver Zoalord's already established power level.
Sully Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 The fact is no one knew the Guyver Zoalord's true power as it was off the scale of anything that could scan it at the time. So the data file is wrong. Next don't take everything Jason thinks he knows as the total fact. As shown above he could have the wrong information. As for the Zoalord that was the host he was 2x. The reason all the Zoalords in the second batch where weaker than Alkanphel is simple, this was a temp army not the proper army which was what the Kavzar became. Zeugma is 18x compared to Alkanphel's 25x. Creators simply could not be arsed spending the processing time making them. Again I'll say the rewrite will clear this up Topic locked and moved to the archive.
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