Guyver Regeneration Rate

[Azaar]

I know that figures get thrown out using the baseline Unit-G we all know and love when it comes to regeneration: like how Battle Guyver regenerates 4x faster than a baseline Unit-G, or the typical Warrior Unit is 10x faster than the baseline Unit-G. So, here's my question:

What exactly is the baseline Unit-G's regeneration time -- or more specifically, how long does it take for a standard Unit-G to regenerate itself and its host after the removal of the control medal until operating at full capacity once again?

I only have the live-action movies to work with in trying to come anywhere near establishing a baseline (and I don't really know how much Screaming Mad George and Steve Wang really delved into matters when talking with Takaya while preparing for Mutronics -- at least, I understand that they conferred with him, anyway -- so I have to take everything I see in the live-actions movies with a grain of salt as a result). At a guess, I'm assuming anywhere from an hour to two hours, since Mizky awoke to find herself within Chronos LA after being rendered unconscious when Sean's control medal was removed.

The thing that troubles me about live-action as the basis was that, IMO, it implied that the regeneration process was accelerated by absorbing the bio-material of the Dr. East Zoanoid (I think that's the one who wound up swallowing the control medal) -- and I'm not knowledgeable enough on the books to know whether that holds true in the anime/manga as well (or what exactly the books say in regards to the time spent in regeneration).

[McAvoy]

In the movies, the Guyver was never damaged to get a baseline. The complete regeneration from a control medal to Guyver is very similar to the manga/anime. So that is hard to get an accurate estimation.

One theory is that regeneration varies on how active the Guyver is during the regeneration process or how much energy was or being used. For example, Guyver 1's fight with Enzyme 1 seemed to be at most a few minutes. But during his fight along side with Bio Freezer vs. the Enzyme 3s took much longer than this.

Another example is the damage done to Guyver 3's mega smasher cell by Gaster was slowed down because of his severe energy exhaustion. Guyver 1's brain damage done by Enzyme 2 also seemed to be regenerating fairly fast too.

My guess is limbs can be regenerating within several minutes. If we go for an easy 10 minutes than a WG would regenerate the same damage in 1 minute. However, Dreadnought would regenerate it in less than a second. But since he is bigger he would regenerate it in about a second or two. However this is when they are standing and doing nothing so the regeneration has the full energy of the system.

Though during the Gigantic Dark's fight at Arizona where the shoulder power amp pod was cut in half was not regenerating. Though his leg was able to reattach itself fairly fast. So I think his does support the whole energy requirements of regeneration depends on how much energy is being used at the time.

Unfortunately we have never seen any comparable damage done to a Gigantic that was later regenerating so we have no idea of how much faster it can regerate. Like I said before, a Gigantic is larger so it would have to regenerate a larger mass.

Though both Guyver and Gigantic can instantly regenerate any damage done to the host or host Guyver. Guyver 1 deactivated his unit then reboosted which instantly regenerated any damage done to the unit. Gigantics do not transfer any damage done to it when used by another Guyver. This seems to be fairly consistent.

My guess for a complete regeneration of a body is a emergency action done by the control medal. Perhaps by using all energy to regenerate it as fast as it can.

Note too, that the movie Guyver is larger than the zoanoid he came out of as well as it was a matter of seconds after being swallowed.

[*zeo]

Yeah, you can pretty safely assume the live action only had the guy swallow the CM to save on the FX budget, as otherwise they would have had to show the whole regeneration process. Parts like the tendrils sticking to the other guy's hand shows it was already regenerating as it was little more than just the CM just a few minutes before...

As for regeneration, it's complicated but follows conservation of energy and how the Guyver draws energy from the boost dimension...

Basically the initial Bio-Boost super charges the Guyver with energy directly from the Boost Dimension but normal operation relies on the Gravity Control Orb to provide a continuous but much smaller amount of energy siphon from the Boost Dimension.

Even the organism itself, though capable of Bio-Boosting on its own was still a parasitic organism because it could not continuously siphon energy from the Boost Dimension. Using the Bio-Boost Monster as example suggests the Bio-Boost only occurs when host mass is being changed. While the other example is the G1 CM regeneration, it took about 11 hours before it started but once it started G1 was blasting his way through the Chronos building in a matter of minutes from the time the alarms sounded. Suggesting it took time to get enough energy to start the regeneration process, which in turn suggests it takes some energy to begin the siphon, but once it did that it was likely Bio-Boosted for faster than normal regeneration.

Thus altogether it explains how mass can be increased during transformations but not otherwise.

So for the Guyver, the rate of regeneration depends on how much energy the body retains and how fast the Gravity Control Orb can replenish it...

Similarly, things like the Mega Smashers are also tied into this as they also draw power from the Gravity Control Orb and the time it takes to recharge them is similar to regenerating a lost limb.

Though note damage, like from an Enzyme, can take longer as it directly attacks how the Guyver organism functions. Since the Enzyme acid is based on a Enzyme the Guyver organism itself uses. Like remember how fast G1 recovered from having his stomach slashed by Thancrus in the anime? Then compare that to when Enzyme damaged him...

So you can say normally a Guyver can recovery from cuts in seconds, loss of a limb in minutes (probably around 15 minutes depending on how severe the damage), and total regeneration from just the CM in about 11 hours...

Difference with a WG is when regenerating from CM the CM is usually already in the Boost Dimension and drawing power directly for the regeneration. So the 11 hours gets cut down to minutes...

Difference for the Gigantic, besides increased mass the physical body of the Gigantic is partly a construct filled with energy. It's why it de-activates if too much power is used and also explains how it can go Exceed. So part of the power goes to just maintaining the Gigantic form and it of course also uses up that power faster than a normal Guyver.

Though I theorize it's probably possible to use the same trick Sho used to trigger the Exceed transformation to also recharge and regenerate the Gigantic if needed... as long as the power amp crystals remain intact...

[Azaar]

There's that, yes -- I suspect zeo's right with the FX budget, though it's still a rather glaring foul-up to have done it that way, but I can't complain too awful much, since the live-action movies are the reason I got into the Guyver in the first place.

zeo: How accurate is that 11 hour figure? Actual book translation, I assume?

[McAvoy]

Compared to the rest of the movie that can be forgivable.

On the opposite side of regeneration, the Bio Booster Creature was absorbed by Guyver 1's control medal within seconds, which also suggests that the bio-mass is re-converted into energy and then either replenished what he has lost during the chase or sent somewhere else.

The energy requirements of the Guyver regeneration also explains why Warrior Guyvers and other HSL equipped Guyvers that their regeneration rate is higher than their power level woulds suggest. It is also possible that the Warrior Guyver's regeneration may be more consistent than a normal Guyver for example.

[*zeo]

zeo: How accurate is that 11 hour figure? Actual book translation, I assume?

Some but it was vague so mostly accurate to the manga art... time of day and visible clock in the drawing gave time reference... We also have the example of the Bio-Boosted Clone Monster taking till night time before the severed forearm of G1 turned into the creature... suggesting a similar time frame.

On the opposite side of regeneration, the Bio Booster Creature was absorbed by Guyver 1's control medal within seconds, which also suggests that the bio-mass is re-converted into energy and then either replenished what he has lost during the chase or sent somewhere else.

It makes sense that even if the Bio-Boost Dimension is energy filled that conservation of energy rules still apply. Like how Exceed can return to normal size without releasing energy like a mini sun. The energy has to go somewhere and it makes sense that the Bio-Boost energy siphon can work in reverse as well...

[McAvoy]

The 11 hour figure makes sense since at best guess from Enzyme I ripping out his control medal to when he regenerated, it seems to be about a few hours possibly more. Depends on how far the distance is between the battlefield to Relic's Point, though and traffic of course. Japan has the worse traffic I have ever seen the last time I was there.

[Azaar]

Normally I don't resurrect topics from the dead if I can help it, but I just realized something while doing a little basic math. (( Note: this is based solely off the data files as presently presented, and may be subject to change. ))

Let's take that 11 hour figure: a Warrior Guyver (Jason pre-Matrix, FWG, WGC (assumed, since his CPM channels only into his Comet Attack) and WG5) has ten times the regenerative rate of a standard Guyver, so 1.1 hours (66 minutes). WG4 has only 4x the standard Guyver healing rate, which would be 165 minutes (2.75 hours). WG2/WG3 has 10x regenerative rate normally, up to 20x with the internal CPM boost, which means 66 minutes baseline, as little as 33 minutes with a full CPM charge augmenting the healing process. Oh, and Jason's Matrix-enhanced form? Anywhere from 99 to 396 seconds.

Let's go Gigantic with this, shall we?

Ultimus: unknown (part of this stems from the fact that WGC's regenerative rate is unstated, but I'm assuming Jason pre-Matrix level since the CPM doesn't channel into his healing factor; part of it stems from the lack of mention in how the Giant Unit might augment WGC's regenerative rate)

Valkyrie: 13 minutes, 22 seconds - 22 minutes

Zeus: 396 seconds

Dreadnought: 39.6 - 99 seconds

Scary, no?

[*zeo]

The 11 hours shouldn't be compared by itself because for most of that time both the severed forearm and the G1 CM was apparently dormant. Most of the regeneration took place over a very short period of time and is likely tied to the organisms ability to tap into the boost dimension naturally.

While normal Guyver regeneration is mostly determined by how much energy the Gravity Control Orb siphons from the boost dimension and that's slower than regeneration by Bio-Boost.

Taking the example of G1 regenerating his brain though, given that it was done fast enough for G1 to see his father's Enzyme forearm finally dissolve, means approximately 1% (whole human brain accounts for 2% of our body mass and G1 only lost a large chunk, along with other wounds) of damage was regenerated in a matter of minutes (some of which was the last part of the fight). This still means hours for near total body regenerations but we can't be sure it matches up to the 11 hours.

While regeneration is pretty subjective, since it can vary depending on how much mass needs to be replaced. Regenerating a hand can be done a lot faster than a whole arm for example. So say your estimates are correct, then regenerating smaller levels of damage would be almost instantaneous for Dreadnought.

[McAvoy]

Exactly, however, we do not know why it took 11 hours to regenerate a whole body either. it could have been to collect enough energy or some sort of reboot or maybe it took time to restart the regeneration process with a few cells.

Even assuming that is normal even with advanced Guyvers like a WG or Dreadnought, then it would be much faster. Or it could be even faster than that if energy requirements are needed. So no reboot or collecting energy, or a shorter down time. So Dreadnought's nearly 40 second max. time could be even less.