Hyper Sensors, Etc.

[Azaar]

Maybe I'm missing it, but is there any place specifically that notes just how the hyper sensor orbs on the Guyver work? I've wondered if perhaps it's some sort of "radar sense" or echolocation, but not had much luck in trying to find out for certain. I checked the Bio-Booster Armor Guyver thread to see if perhaps it had been asked there, but saw nothing.

Edited February 8, 2011 by Guest

[*zeo]

Exact physics of how they work aren't given but they're a type of 3D sensor capable of even monitoring brain waves as it can let a Guyver tell who is a zoanoid and other details on an opponent's body like how much of it is being taken over by Aptom for example.

Range is also not given but regular Guyvers can use them for early warning for around 100 meters, guess estimate by how some zoanoids have avoided detection. But can scan through walls and into the ground. The Hyper Sensors can detect energy signatures and that gives them early warning when someone is about to fire a energy weapon to dodge.

The Gigantic has an additional pair of roving orbs and one non-moving orb at the base of the skull area behind the head. Range is far greater for the Gigantic but specific range is also unknown. We just use a guess estimate for the fan fic data file...

Theory is CM augments host brain to process the hyper sensor data and it works as a kind of sixth sense, still takes host practice to properly use.

Cloaked Zoaforms have been known to be able to avoid detection by the Hyper Sensors but can still show up as gap in perception to get approximate location if the host knows what to look for...

[Azaar]

Okay, next question (moving to another aspect of the Unit-G's inner workings): virtually everywhere I've looked, it seems that there's the same blurb about the Control Medal, in that it's basically an organic-based CPU that regulates how the unit functions, keeps the parasitic aspect of the Unit-G from devouring the host, so on and so forth. Am I missing anything in that?

Part of why I ask, admittedly, is because I'm considering something to push the envelope in how the control medal of a Guyver unit operates, but I want to be certain I understand the specifics of how a basic control medal works first, before brainstorming about modifying a control medal (even beyond the Warrior Project).

[*zeo]

The Guyver Control Medal is composed of a couple of components. It's from the first Live Action movie that it was suggested that the Metal is somehow living, being composed of both organic and inorganic material. In the manga it hasn't been referred to other than stating simply that the metal is some unknown alien material.

The outer ring is the what sends out the control signal, exactly how that signal works is unknown but the control medal has been shown vulnerable to sonic attacks, prolonged it can render the host unconscious. It's unknown if the unit will de-activate but Sho used that tactic once to fake losing consciousness while he was under sonic attack. Though a direct hit on the CM by a high voltage discharge has been known to knock the host out and cause the Unit to retract.

The Main Orb of the CM has a bundle of wire/tendrils that go into the host brain and hooks the host, between the main orb and the outer ring is a crystal ring and that's where the light comes from...

[Azaar]

I'm assuming, then, that I've got the gist of it right otherwise in regards to the control medal function, especially given all the fan-faction that backs up that initial blurb I've always read concerning it. Hmm. The specifics of what I'm considering, I may need to move to the Fan Writer's forum to discuss more fully, since the control medal will play a huge part in what I'm looking to do for trying to write my own fan-fiction (yes, several years later, and I'm still trying to get a start on it).

[*zeo]

What's the idea? Can still discuss the scientific possibilities here and move to the fan fic area once you got a good idea of how it should work...

[Azaar]

Basically... I'm looking at a control medal that acts as a neural net processor. I know the Warrior Project control medal is actually 4 partial C-Medals (or compressed, since I've always had the impression that the partial C-Medals could potentially be fully functional on their own, but I freely admit that I could be wrong on that assumption) working in tandem to improve efficiency. The general appearance would be more like an octagonal pyramid (whether it would incorporate 8 partial C-Medals or not, I'm undecided on, but I like the mental visualization of it that I'm getting there). So far, I figure something like the HSL being integrated into the control medal function would be a necessity, with the premise that the neural net nature would operate much like a hypercube (4+ dimensional cubes -- Wikipedia has a page on them).

I'm gearing towards something that might approach Zygote Guyver, at least in terms of the control medal being able to adapt and learn from previous experience and develop its own sentience. Unlike Zygote, however, I'm planning for the sentient nature to be more an artificial intelligence that can help guide the host and offer advice (I'm thinking Jarvis from the Iron Man movies, or perhaps Cortana from the Halo video game series as examples of the kind of AI I'm looking at), rather than going rogue the way Zygote did -- it will still occasionally take control when the situation calls for it, but it would be operating using a combination of its own innate knowledge and experience, coupled with that of the host.

[*zeo]

So in other words just a step up from what the CM already does. The normal Unit also does its own thinking but is subservient to the host's will and only takes over if the host is unconscious or incapable of responding to a threat. Though some have theorized that this may be the Guyver organism's own will since it is an enslaved alien entity. But we generally go with the idea that the CM is doing the thinking and is capable of interpreting intent of the host as long as host brain remains intact. Such as when G1 would protect his friends even while unconscious but if host brain is damaged then unit just reacts with self preservation like when the unit killed Sho's dad.

For the WG fan fiction we have a more advance version of this as the WG CM is advance enough to keep a copy of the host mind. So friend and foe is recognized regardless of host condition and is part of the basis for the WG battle collective.

The more powerful Relic CM has shown itself capable of reconfiguring itself when it created the Gigantic and repaired G1's CM. So that too was incorporated into the WG CM in as much as the WG CM can self repair as long as at least once CM segment remained intact. And yes, essentially each CM segment is equivalent to a normal whole for the WG, along with other enhancements to the unit.

The HSL itself is a enhancement of a normal Guyvers power system, which basically involves a massive power up during unit activation that we call the Bio-Boost and a trickle charge from the Gravity Control Orb while active. What the HSL system essentially does is induce a continuous Bio-Boost, the mechanism for which we put in the WG CM and that also explains why the CM can teleport into the Boost Dimension/Hyper Space.

I believe the Guyver 4 fan fic originated the idea that a unit can have a secondary CM, in her case stored inside of host along the spine, and was the basis for a more Jarvis like unit AI that develops over time as a kind of symbiotic AI...

[Azaar]

Yeah. The CM is nominally semi-sentient to begin with, as I understood it. I just wanted to try and take it to the next step. Whether it would be a prototype Unit with the Mark II upgrade (assuming my character would fit in someplace in the WG universe), or something completely out of left field, I'm not sure just yet. I could see it as a Creator attempt to try and take Solom's work in the Warrior Project in a new direction, and integrating aspects of the Kavzar Project into the mix (not in the alternate universe Warrior Kavzar direction, though), but now I'm starting to drift towards more the fan-fiction aspect than the actual science.

I have considered doing the same with the HSL, in terms of having the CM be able to teleport itself into hyperspace to regenerate the unit and host. I'm not entirely sure if I want to go with having a secondary CM like Assassin Guyver has -- likely I wouldn't need it, since it would be able to regenerate on its own like the Warrior Project CM, although if I went with my original plan (mimicry of other Guyver units/Kavzar/etc. via detailed hyper sensor scans, though the power of such attacks would be limited by what the subject unit itself can pull with power from the HSL, host bio-energy or what have you, and certain units would be immune to it, like Jason's or W'Kar), a second hidden CM that was dedicated to storing that information for future use might make a second CM a viable choice.

Whether I try going with potentially getting a Relic CM to make a Gigantic, which then would possibly allow the Gigantic version to better mimic the other Gigantics or Enforcer Kavzar (though Matrix-enhanced and W'Kar stuff would likely still be out of reach) would depend on just how many Relics are around on Earth. The Utah Relic, I know, is gone, as are a couple of others. Chronos seems to control access to several more (though I'm not sure if it's really said how many specifically), and I'm figuring there's likely still more that just haven't been found yet.

[Zoaknight]

Zeo wrote: Exact physics of how they work aren't given but they're a type of 3D sensor capable of even monitoring brain waves as it can let a Guyver tell who is a zoanoid and other details on an opponent's body like how much of it is being taken over by Aptom for example.

Range is also not given but regular Guyvers can use them for early warning for around 100 meters, guess estimate by how some zoanoids have avoided detection. But can scan through walls and into the ground. The Hyper Sensors can detect energy signatures and that gives them early warning when someone is about to fire a energy weapon to dodge.

The Gigantic has an additional pair of roving orbs and one non-moving orb at the base of the skull area behind the head. Range is far greater for the Gigantic but specific range is also unknown. We just use a guess estimate for the fan fic data file...

Theory is CM augments host brain to process the hyper sensor data and it works as a kind of sixth sense, still takes host practice to properly use.

Cloaked Zoaforms have been known to be able to avoid detection by the Hyper Sensors but can still show up as gap in perception to get approximate location if the host knows what to look for...

I always thought the Hyper Sensors were essentially HIGHLY advanced motion sensors that could pick up an approaching or nearby enemy even if they're behind a wall or something, or an incoming enemy attack, etc. However, when was it shown that hyper sensors could detect whether someone was a zoanoid or not?

Also, that gap ya mentioned about Stealth Zoanoids must mean that invisible Zoanoid Khan used to stalk Guyver 1 & Bio Freezer & set Aptom up to become his puppet right? I always wondered how exactly his stealth mode worked, apparently it rendered him invisible to the naked eye as well as to the hyper senors on a guyver, took Sho a long time to figure out something was wrong...I wonder if that issue concerning the perception gap has been solved in the Assassinoids and Gliddeans in the Warrior Guyver stories, or if it could be fixed so that a Guyver couldn't sense the stealth zoanoid until its too late.

[Azaar]

I had assumed much the same, at least at it's most basic function (that's pretty much all they ever used it for in the live-action movies, at least), but there are additional functions that go along with it. I figure there's at least some limited electromagnetic sensory ability (since hyper sensors are supposed to see through barriers like a sort of x-ray vision, although that aspect could alternatively be explained as some sort of short-range clairvoyant ESP function; plus, it's also been shown to pick up radiation levels, at least in the fan-fiction). Past that, I'm not entirely certain what else it might have, but having that potential telepathic sense that zeo1234 alluded to earlier (at least, I think the Warrior Units have that added functionality, since the standard units have no means whatsoever of distinguishing between friend or foe) would be a distinct possibility.

[*zeo]

However, when was it shown that hyper sensors could detect whether someone was a zoanoid or not?

The Visual Data Files!

Translation goes...

"Head Part Sensor The Metallic Ball of the bio-booster, a three dimensional compound sensor. The Hypersensitive Magnetic Field sensor is equipped with the function to catch the movement of the mass with the Gravity sensor and the Quantum Magnetic sensor, it can distinguish the brainwaves by man and zoanoids"

Also there have been scenes in the Manga, like when Sho determined that Chaos Aptom was being controlled by an artificial brain for example...

[Azaar]

Very eeeeeeen-teresting!

So it does have an electromagnetic component, though I wonder if that's as far as it can go. Would be interesting to see it... well... that part, I think I'll leave for the Proteus data file.

Still, though, very intriguing. Motion sensor, electromagnetic sensor, telepathic sensor... my, the possibilities. Though I have to wonder now how the unit would resolve the seeming paradox of an artificial brain controlling someone designated friend in the host memories stored in the CM. That's story potential right there. Regardless, it seems the hyper sensors are even more interesting than I had originally believed.