Alkanphel, Zoalord Crystals and Telepathic Communication!

[Guest]

This topic is related to the "Guyver's or Chronos" thread in the Guyver discussion section and in particular Zeo's post!

It was brought to my attention by Zeo, that 3 Zoalords assassinate another in the manga. Now I'm not disagreeing with Zeo or questioning whether this is the official storyline or not (even though i did at first, but if anything this explanation makes perfect sense).

However the reason why I thought this plot was strange was because I thought that Zoalords were telepathically linked, even to the point of reading each others minds!

Ok maybe the 11 man-made Zoalords cannot read each others minds, but I would of thought that Alkanphel could. After all the Zoa-Crystals, that each zoalord has, come from Alkanphels body, that I would of thought, would enable him to be mentally linked with all 11 Zoalords. How else would Alkanphel be able to know that Gyou possesed the remover unless he could read his mind?

So my point is, if the 3 Zoalords did assassinate the other, how do they expect to get away with it if Alkanphel can read there minds? I would of thought that no Zoalord dare oppose Alkanphel after the example he made of Gyou!

Anyway, I suppose the Science question is, does the fact that each Zoalord has a crystal from his body, enable Alkanphel to read there minds and predict there every move?

[Guest]

The one flaw is that it was a Fan that decided that Alkanfel knows everything. It is a fan idea that all zoalords are telepathically linked all the time.

Yes, Alkanfel gave Imakarum information on what happened in ancient time. When Imakarum's zoa crystal was cracked, he was put into Alkanfel's birth pod to heal, and Alkanfel stood in front, with his crystal glowing, and shared a dream with Imakarum about how he killed Guyver 0.

So I guess to share information with that much detail the crystal has to glow, just like the control metal when Sho linked with the relic. I'm guessing that they can send telepathic signals to eachother, just like cell phones or talking to eachother. I wouldn't doubt that Alkanfel or Balcus can force information out of zoalords, but this would be like a battle of the mind, having to actually 'force' it out.

I meen, if Alkanfel already knew all of the creator's science, then why did he get Barcus (I really have to remember how to spell that properly), to spend four hundred years to recreate it? Why wouldn't Alkanfel just do it himself? And yes, I know, excuses can be made either way.

[Guest]

I'm not saying I think Alkanphel knows everything (about creator tech. and zoanoid processing), but I do suspect he can read all the over Zoalords minds because his crystals are present in there bodies and are a part of him!

Lets use the Gyou story line. One of the reasons, other than the Guyvers, Balcus came to Japan was because he was suspicious of Gyou. Now I don't think Balcus or any of the other Zoalords can read each others minds, because if they could, when Balcus was suspicious of Gyou, he could and would of done it then!

Now Alkanphel went to Mt. Minakami to confront Gyou, knowing of his planned rebellion. Alkanphel was probably briefed by Balcus who had made observations of Gyou's behaviour, indicating a revolt. Balcus's observations were information that could of been gathered without the need for mind reading!

However Alkanphel must of read Gyou's mind because he questioned him about the remover! and not even Balcus knew that Gyou possessed it! so he couldn't of briefed Alkanphel about it!

So the only way Alkanphel could of known that Gyou had the remover was to have read his mind!

[*zeo]

Whatever gave you that idea?

Like yeah Alkanphel can read all the Zoalords minds so that explains why he just stood there while Guyot prepared to fire the black hole attack at him, right?

I think that puts a noticeable dent into your theory.

As for the Remover, there are other ways Alkanphel could have learned about that, for one thing he was the last one to use one and could have simply sensed its presence, or read the mind of the scientists that helped Guyot research the device to figure out how to work it, or Balcus did tell him about it but did not know what it was until Alkanphel said what it was.

Not to mention Zoalord telepathy has a range limit so even if he could probe Guyot's mind he probably had to get close and Guyot would have to be consciously thinking about it at the time.

Besides being telepathic does not mean you can gleam every thought of another being at will. There are levels of telepathy just like there are levels of consciousness.

And just because the Zoalords use Crystals taken from Alkanphel does not mean he can just override their mental defenses and read them like open books. Guyot planned for a long time before he was caught.

Hell, even a human like Agito got away with scheming for a long time before he was found out.

You also have to understand, Zoalord telepathy is more about control than it is about communication. Not to mention the Zoalord mindset, why read thought when you can make someone do anything you want?

As for the three Zoalords, also remember Alkanphel isn't around as much as he use to be so it is relatively easy for them to keep secrets.

[Guest]

Like yeah Alkanphel can read all the Zoalords minds so that explains why he just stood there while Guyot prepared to fire the black hole attack at him, right?

I think that puts a noticeable dent into your theory.

Not to mention Zoalord telepathy has a range limit so even if he could probe Guyot's mind he probably had to get close and Guyot would have to be consciously thinking about it at the time.

Alkanphel did initially confront Gyou in the corridor at Mt. Minakami and the two of them were stood there for a while. This would of given Alkanphel enough time to probe Gyou's mind. Gyou was probably thinking of nothing else but the remover at that moment in time (that and the Guyver's location) even before Alkanphel appeared!

However I will agree that my theory is flawed because Alkanphel did just stay put when Gyou launched the black hole attack.

Oh well, this does make the official Guyver Univere much more interesting (if Alk. can't read minds, and other Zoalords have scope to plot and scheme).

Since I have posted this topic on Alkanphels Zoacrystals it would make sense for me to share another related idea rather than post again.

This concerns Zoalord Griselda and her dummy crystal. Since her lifespan is only 3 years, would it not be possible to immortalize her if Agito takes one of Alks "real" crystals from say Yentsui (a Zoalord he has already killed) and get the scientist to reprocess her with that crystal?

[*zeo]

Yes, just like Imakarum. Similarly she could also become significantly more powerful.

[Guest]

Um, I thought all of the Libertus resistance were designed to have a limited 3 year life span so that they wouldn't be a threat like Chronos is? Wouldn't that meen that unless she was genetically reprocessed a new zoacrystal wouldn't be much of a difference? Or was this info wrong? Oh well.

[WarriorZoalord]

don't forget, the proto-zoalords had limited life spans also, which would be why the other zoalords were surprised to find out that murikami was a proto-zoalord and still alive. So, maybe the scientist who worked on Griselda couldn't create full zoalords, i think its the processing that causes the short life span, not the zoacrystal.

[*zeo]

Murakami was worked on in the Manga and they couldn't extend his life, only help heal him and buy him time. So the Zoacrystal did have something to do with it but regardless the fact that he is now Imakarum shows that Shizu can also be given a real Zoa-Crystal and reprocessed into a more stable and more powerful form.