Measuring the Guyvers physical Strength?

[*Jess♥]

That is all very interesting.....

wow i am just trying to get my head round what you just said!!

i think i understand most of it though.

i see what you're saying is that just because they are more mass it doesn't mean that the mass of the muscles produces the actual strength. that maybe they channel energy and use that to control the body instead?

Liskers muscles are gonna be far more efficient than shos because he is an elite, trained, perfect physical specimen. if that is what you are saying then he would be stronger anyway?

or do you think the mass of the body is simply to cushion the guyver against blows and seeing as guyver3 and guyver 2 have more mass to begin with then they need more cushioning?

otherwise why else is there a increase in mass to such a degree?

edit: I think i see what you're getting at.

then guyver increases muscle and cardio vascular efficiency by the same degree in each unit. in which case if efficiency has been increased by such a great factor then the mass and load bearing qualities of the individual muscles becomes negligable.

unfortunately there is no evidence to support so it just comes down to a matter of opinion.

to be honest i tend to agree with you. if guyver two was proportionately stronger than guyer1, sho would have found it a lot harder to defend himself!

[Guest]

Ok, I didn't have time on the weekend to post anything, and I got called away yesturday. So Finally I have time to pull out my old notes and submit them to the board. I can spare a few minutes, but it's still good.

For those with the visual data files, turn to the anatomy page (most of the other pages to this point described abilities).

The text at the bottem: Kyo-Shoku (strongly increase) So-Ko- (armor) She su tem ou (system)=Boost Armor System

Wa' Tong- Nalu Guybu So- Ko- Dei Wa Nai.

(Simple outside armor it's not)

Neengen To Yu- Go- Shteh', Sho Ku- So- Sha' no' Shing- Tai oh Kyo- Sho Ku So shee kee eh' meng kung su lu (shung kung jin tai kai zo- shee su tem ou) na no Deh Alu.

(Human with fuse do, wearer of human body boost organ to change/switch do (split second body/corpse evolve system) it is thus)

Sho ku so- su lu- toh, no- na do no' chou-su- shingkeh- oh nozoh ee teh hobo su beh teh no zo-kee ga sen- toh- yo- no- mononee to'teh' kawalaleh lu.

(The wearer to do and brain etcetera main nerve avoiding almost all organs combat for things could substitute.)=With the exception of the brain and nervous system almost all of the host's organs can be substituted.

Ko' kaku ya king-neeku wa' kyo- sho ku sai bo- toh yu-go- sulu koto deh' kaku dung nee pawa-ah'pu' oh togeh teh' eelou.

(bones/skeletel structure and muslce force to multiply cells with/and infuse do things and a lot power amplify to do.)

Ok, stepping outside of translation, it's been a while since I read this, so I was going from memory before. It's been a year or two since I've read my Japanese notes. So sue me... well, don't. But I'm still very close. The power increase is done to each cell, making each cell stronger. So technically a host with more muscle cells has more power, which is the basic point of what I was trying to say. any way, I might as well give you the rest.

Salanee naizo-, tokunee shu-ka kee keh- wa taika shee kong sehkee teh- do nee nalu.

(Furthermore internal organs, especially digestive system regress and remnant approximatly to become.)

Koleh wa, shokuso- sulu toh shokumotsu noh sehsh-u nee yolu ehnehlugee- noh' hohkyu- wa' ees'sai ok ohna waleh nai tameh deh ahlu.

(This growing to do thus nurishment of absorbtion by energy of supply/provide at all to be done not because of is.)=The guyver can't eat food to regain energy. yeah that's a lot summarized, but I've got a time limit.

Next, take a look at the bulge on his forarm, and the piece of text pointing to it.

Ah-mu PaWa Ampu(Arm Power Amplifier)

Do-lee oku seh-gyo oh noh sai oh- deh' punchee leeoku oh' zo-huku sulu.

(Moving weight control of function by punch force to increase do.

Kolehnee yo'teh' jeeshing noh' tai-ju- Noh' Su- Ju- bai' nee' hee'tekee sulu (ohmohee) Punchee oh' outsu kohteo ga' dekeelu.

(This by self of bodyweight number ten times at equal to doing heavy punch strike to do can.)

I guess that meen that the power amps can increase the momentum of a punch by ten times, via increaseing the weight/mass. I heard the number 50 somewhere, I'll have to go through my notes and find out where, but I ahve to go again, so I'll write more later.

[*Jess♥]

It does say 'multiply cells'......

Not that i m trying to be awkward or anyhting, but that implies the cell splitting to make more of them....

not an increase in power per cell.

in my calcs with body mass this is apparent.

however it doesn't make any reference to metabolism or anything.

so i am agreeing with you but also going a step further and agreeing with zeo as well.

in a sense you are both right.

[Guest]

I trust you are refering to this phrase:

(bones/skeletel structure and muslce force to multiply cells with/and infuse do things and a lot power amplify to do)

To me, the with meening is used instead of and. So it's 'cells with infuse'. The cells are being infused with power that multiplies the force of the bones and muscle. Oh yeah, and toss in the word amplify in the begining of that. Creating English sentances out of these Japanese is hard.

[Guest]

I think we are all going to have to agree to disagree when it comes to this topic.

I do however agree with a lot of the stuff young guyver is saying.

If a human has more muscle cells there is simply more to bio boost, or there is more bio boosted muscle cells. Surely a guyver that has more bio boosted muscle cells will be stronger than a guyver with less?

[*zeo]

We are not that much in disagreement, both YoungGuyver and I agree on the overall process of how the host and unit merge and how the resulting combined being functions. We just disagree on the extent the effect of muscle mass would have on the strength.

The organ replacement previously discussed is an equilizing factor for example. I don't however disagree that muscle mass can have an effect and both YoungGuyver and I agree that within the ballpark range the Guyvers are pretty much equal, after all exact percentage of strength is almost impossible to calculate without exact figures. My only contention is that it would take significant differences in muscle mass to really see a difference in Guyver strength. The units at least brings the host closer to equal strength than they would be without the unit. We otherwise agree.

There are just factors like the rate energy can be infused into the bone and muscle tissue to enhance them versus the energy handling tolerance values of the average human host and whether differences in mass would offset those values and if so then by how much, etc. to consider. But yes, until Takaya gives us exact figures for each Guyver's physical performance factors then we can only speculate at this point. But we can at least agree on the ballpark figures