Guyver in the Matrix

[Guest]

Hey, heres a really wierd idea. You know how the Guyver makes it's own little place in your head when it bonds with you? In the matrix whatever happens to your mind happens to you in real life...so what if someone inside the matrix was to bond with the Guyver? Just a wierd little idea...hehe....hopefully get some responses...I've actually had long debates about this idea...

[Guest]

since the Guyver liberates a human from creator control, would it liberate it from matrix control?

Since the matrix might just been feeding into your senses, I'd say you might still see and feel most of what the matrix wants you too... but at the same time start to exist in the real

[Guest]

But say that supposedly a human bonded with the Guyver in the Matrix, thus making a little place in that person's brain! When the person came out of the matrix, a paradox would have been created. Whatever happens to you in the matrix (to your mind) will happen to you in the real world...does that mean the human is now bonded with the Guyver in real life? It would be the ultimate defense against the sentinels!

But how could that happen? The matrix would have indirectly caused a figment of the imagination or program to become manifest!

However, if the Guyver was to bio boost outside of the matrix then all the plugs and things all over his/her body would be gone. That person would no longer be able to go into the Matrix, as the Guyver destroys any abnormalities!

But once again it would make the perfect defense against the Sentinels!

[GuyverXenon]

For a person to bond with the unit in the Matrix then the Matrix itself would of had to create the unit. So far as we have seen all that happens in the Matrix is a result of things going on outside of the computer itself. The only 'Out of Control' humans were made so by other humans. The Matrix itself is a logical system and uses its resources to the fullest extent so why would it create a threat to itself by putting the unit inside itself? That would be completely irrational. And dont say that well Neo is all powerful int he Matrix and could make one cause that isnt true. While Neo has power it comes from himself and he has yet to just pull an item out of thin air. What I am trying to get across here is the Matrix is a self preserving system used by the robots of the movie to sustain their 'batteries'. To create something that would free a human from its control would thus pose a threat to its existence which is something the system cant do. Think the ending of T2. The Terminator couldnt self destruct someone else had to do it even though the Terminator wanted to be destroyed. The same is for the Matrix. It cannot be the cause of its own demise and thus it couldnt create the Guyvers.

Also about bio boosting if you were free of the Matrix. For one we cannot be sure if the Guyver would destroy the plugs. When a person bio boosts do their clothes disappear? No. The reason for that is the Guyver doesnt destroy what isnt a hinderance. Perhaps the unit may see the plugs as an advantage. If so then perhaps since the unit allows for some telepathy via the organisms on its back it would enhance the plugs since they are wired to the host and thus allow for a greater telepathic ability making them able to enter the matrix even without a brain stem hook in to the system.

[deathguyver]

that may as well happen but what would happen if the control medal was ripped out and the host was to be rebuilt? we have seen that the clothes won't be rebult with the host since it is not a part of it and the plugs are not a part of the humans. they were put there by the machines just like our clothes are put on ourselves.

[Guest]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I started a debate! Well, here is my point of view...

How do you know that the Matrix would create such a hindrance? Perhaps someone else put the Guyver into the matrix, either with some sort of hacking (of course the user would have to know everything about the Guyver) or maybe even connecting the Guyver itself into the Matrix. After all the Guyver is a life form (although parasitic in it's basic form) and could probably be inserted into the Matrix just like a person can. Remember, the Guyver can percieve by itself, that's how it defends it's host when the host is incapable of doing so himself. So maybe it could be entered into the Matrix...maybe via Control Medal...who knows?

Here is another idea...suppose a suitable host stumbled across a unit outside of the Matrix and then activated it. Not knowing what it is, that host would dismiss the whole idea as some kind of bad dream. Now, when that person was to enter the Matrix, could he bio-boost inside the matrix?

Ah, what about Chronos and the Zoanoids? Such powerful creatures probably give off buttloads of nice pure clean energy...the machines would like these guys...Perhaps Chronos was inserted into the Matrix after losing the war with the Machines? Maybe even the Zoalords were defeated!

What do you guys think?

[GuyverXenon]

The Guyver is all aboutt he hosts mind. If the host wills the unit to come forth in the Matrix then as was said the same will happen to the real body outside of the Matrix. If the host bio soots inside and it will also bio boost outside and then the barrier shield would thus destroy the equipment that hooks the host into the Matrix either logging him/her out or locking their brainwaves into the Matrix and thus effectively leaving the real body a vegetable ruled by the Guyver unit.

And about the hinderance bit. Your still talking about the plugs right? The Robots created the plugs not the Matrix and if you think they are a hinderance then the Guyver would rid them of the host and then the host would not be able to log back into the Matrix at all. Also how could someone hack the Matrix? That would put them at risk as well as where ever they were hacking from. Say someone in the last city hacked it. Then they would be overrun by the robots in maybe a matter of hours. Plus we have yet to see someone actually hack the MAtrix itself from outside. And thus for now this idea would depend entirely upon the Matrix to create the Guyver which I have already stated it cannot.

As for linking the unit in directly. So for as we have seen none of the humans know how to integrate the Matrix plugs into another person. Now the Guyver wouldnt be able to be linked in for two reasons. The 'brain' of the Guyver cant be hooked into a computer unless you compromise the control medal which would thus effectively kill the unit. Also how would a person hook the unit in without it activating on them? Naturally the robots couldnt do it. They would either study it or if they had knowledge of the weapons power then they would destroy it. You gotta remember if your gonna argue your points. The machines act in a logical way. They would either study the unit or destroy it. In no way would a human gain access to the unit if the machines had it. I think I've stated the obvious facts for now.

[*zeo]

The Matrix is basically just a Virtual Reality program. Everything in it is just computer code interacting and following rules. Neo's Brain is able to process that code and thus allow himself to bend the Matrix to his will, it is also the reason he now sees everything in code when in the Matrix. This does not mean he is god like in the Matrix. Bend does not mean break after all. So Neo can just push the limits and make himself stronger and faster than everyone else, everything he has done in the movie is simply bending the rules.

BTW, there is a possible way to enter the Matrix without jacking in. Those who've seen the second movie can probably figure out how. Hint, deals with Neo.

The Rebel ships hack the Matrix all the time, it's how they are able to jack in. They aren't hardwired into the system after all. It's also how they arm themselves and even how they get some vehicles.

As for a Unit in the Matrix, it's possible if someone programs a sim of a Unit and downloads it into the Matrix but it would only exist in the Matrix and its abilities and effectiveness would be limited to the skills of the programmer who created it, which can be either human or an existing program entity. Agent Smith for example shows the A.I's have developed emotions so are not entirely logical and there are other A.I.'s who are on the human side, hoping for coexistence. Though it is questionable if a Matrix based Unit could free the mind of someone who is still part of the system as breaking control means the system sees them as a dead battery and chucks them into the sewers. Not a good idea unless you have a rebel ship ready to pick you up. Unless the program is made to fool the system so then you could have a free mind that can remain in the system full time.

That aside, the Unit itself would be like an Agent, a living program so if merged with a human mind it can probably do everything a Guyver unit is suppose to do and make the human host powerful enough to deal with Matrix Agents but Neo could probably still beat it.

What happens to the body while a mind is plugged into the Matrix is simply a reaction to neural feed back. Mind and body are linked so the body can reflect what is happening to the mind but this does not at all mean you can pull something from the Matrix into the real world.

What happens in the Matrix is only information and information can't manifest itself in the physical world unless it manipulates something in the physical world. So outside of a hologram it would be impossible for something from the Matrix to manifest outside the Matrix unless it takes something over like someones body or a robot.

The only possible way a Unit can come out of the Matrix is if the code is advance enough to represent DNA, then the unit can be recreated in the real world.

Edited August 15, 2003 by Guest

[Guest]

Ah, for the hacking into the Matrix part...

You say that the machines will attack when the person hacks into the matrix...(It could be via another mind that is already in the Matrix)...what if the hacker is someone like Masaki Murakami or a full fledged Zoalord trying to free his comrades or trying to locate the Guyver by having a human or Zoanoid inside activate the Guyver. If the Machines attack a Zoalord, I'm sorry, those machines are dead. The Zoalord will blast them into oblivion and then leave before more machines can arrive...

For hacking the Guyver intself into the matrix, do we really know how great the technology of that century is? They could possibly use magnets or some sort of pulse beam or (whatever I don't know) to possibly hack the Guyver into the Matrix without touching the actual control medal!

For the Bio Boosting inside the Matrix...I've always wondered about that...apparently the only time a host would be able to use the Guyver would be the first time they ever activate it. After words the plugs would be destroyed (I still think that would happen) and the barrier created by the Guyver's calling would destroy all the surroudning equipment. I agree with this. Thus, the Guyver would have to be used as strictly a defense tool against the Machines...however, who knows how much they've adapted since fighting a Zoalord...hehehe....

I have more points to argue but I want to hear the response to this first...

[*zeo]

Your assumptions only apply if the Unit exists in the real world so I repeat my basic statement of what happens in the Matrix stays in the Matrix, the host plugs would not be destroyed cause the unit does not exist in the real world. The most you would get is the host body rejecting the implants in which case they would probably die.

The only way for Zoalords to be in the Matrix is if the Matrix is based off the world of the Guyver instead of the real world as it once was and those Zoalords would most likely be Agents. Not entirely impossible since the second movie showed up surviving prorgam A.I.'s who just happen to be what we would call supernatural creatures with similar weaknesses to silver bullets, etc. But the Guyver unit would have to be created by a Hacker as it goes against the system. Probably a virus that infects a host in the system and manifests its code in the form we would recognize as the Guyver but all that as I said before would only happen within the Matrix, not outside unless the unit is recreated in the real world and the humans in the movie don't have the tech to do so as everything they have is salvaged from the machines. Remember many of the humans grew up in the Matrix so were basically raised with 20/21 century technology.

[Guest]

Wow...you guys really put some thought into this...

Well...so have I...

Perhaps the whole Guyver scheme isn't possible in the Matrix world but what I'm really thinking about is a story that intergrates both ideas in the same world. I'm sure you all have seen the Animatrix and thus seen the Second Renaissance which portrays the battle between human kind and the machines. What if say the stakes got so high that Chronos had to intervene in order to defend their plans. Say they lost! The machines would see how a Zoanoid or Zoalord is dangerous and take extra precautions but they would also see the Zoanoids and Zoalords as an immense form of power! They would utilize that!

Considering this, the Matrix will probably program the digital world in such a way that makes Chronos so it doesn't exist. Thus the Zoalords and Zoanoids will not know of thier powers and will just live their life like any other human trapped within the system. But they would not destroy the gene that creates a Zoanoid or Zoalord. The Zoalords probably give off a thousand times more BTU's of energy than a normal human.

Eventually Neo would come across one of these creatures in the Matrix. Would he recognize the different structure in this creature? If so he could possibly help them escape and create a strong defense against the Machines.

I guess hacking the Guyver Unit into the Matrix is out of the question, but the Zoanoids and Zoalords would be possible. And if the Zoanoids and Zoalords were agents, then they would be able to do much more than they normally do, and even when they do stay in the parameters set by the matrix because a Zoanoid's powers are actually natural and abide by the law of physics. Well, in the Guyver's world at least.

Okay, I'll see what happens after this post...

[*zeo]

Would not make sense, a Zoalord like Imakarum could have single handedly won the war so there would never have been a Matrix. Also a zoalord could have remedied the blackened sky problem so the machines would never had needed to resort to using humans for power. Even if the machines managed to capture a Zoalord and use it's DNA to clone copies that they can use for batteries. They would eventually break free because of their natural strong wills and fact they are telepaths. The illusion would thus not hold and they would break free.

Besides Zoalords are practically immortal so fact they never age or die in the Matrix would be a big clue that they are not normal. The only way it could make sense is for hybrids like Elera who are no longer pure zoalords.

Anything else would not follow the standard set by the Guyver so belongs in the fan fiction section. Please repost there if you want to continue this topic.