Guest Posted July 24, 2003 Posted July 24, 2003 CM Power Mass of Guyver 1 : 261kg Speed of Light : 3*10^8 m/s Energy : 2.349*10^19 joules (gained using E=MC^2) Time : 11 hours=39,600 seconds Power :5.9318181818*10^14 watts = 593 Terawatts Conclusion: Taking the facts we know when Agito was supposed to get Sho to the lake, 10 am, and the time just before reactivation, 9pm. As well as the knowledge that the CM must have been drawing power to perform the feat, from higher dimensional space, as once it did gain sufficient power it took a matter of minutes to rebuild the host. The fact that Guyver 1 was at full fighting capacity and not subtracting fight time should cover for the inaccuracy of not subtracting the weight of the CM and still make this a conservative estimate. BTW it comes out it was generating the energy for approximately 6.591 grams of mass a second. Truly impressive especially when you consider what else it has to do. A man of strength Weight of bobtail truck : 4 tons = 8,000 pounds We clearly see Molmot lift such a truck completely above his head and smash it into the ground in Anime. If he was 10 men he would prove Zeo1234’s 800 pound estimate. If we bring it up to 15 men it is still 533 1/3 pounds. Considering he was degenerating, how badly Gregole beat him, and lifting the truck didn’t necessarily take his full strength plus the Bobtail truck could have been carrying cargo I think the 800 pound estimate has been backed up by the Anime at least. EDIT: An interesting thought. Do you suppose that that planetoid Alk destroyed could be the Mars sized impactor theorized to have hit the Earth and part of which became the Moon?
McAvoy Posted July 25, 2003 Posted July 25, 2003 I'll answer the last question: No, they suspect it was billions of years ago, not millions. For the such a mass like the Moon to leave the earth's own mass millions of years ago would have at least left a decent sized scar (along with other 'scars').
Guest Posted July 25, 2003 Posted July 25, 2003 Somebody did some numbers with the moon thing. They came to the conclusion that what hit Earth pretty much destroyed everything... as in EVERYTHING. They made the humble nick name of Earth, Mark II. When they said an impact to create our moon would have to be on such a perfect angle. They say destroyed everything because even the crust was destroyed, exposing the mantle and everything. In the chaos and flying debris, the moon was formed. Everything settled again. Surprisingly, the moon used to be much closer to us, giving the Earth a faster rotation (shorter day) and had a much more violent effect on us. Slowly, it's orbit is increasing. Slowly we are loosing it. The cg for this presentation was phenominal, I thuroughly enjoyed it. They made a very convincing case. If the Advents had succeeded, we would definetly have been (expletive deletive).
McAvoy Posted July 26, 2003 Posted July 26, 2003 I saw a few CG movies over the years on this theory. However you have to remember that it can't be so recent (meaning in the last few millions of years) because again like I said, it would have left some sort of scar on Earth, whether it's a big crater or the earth is still recovering from it. By the looks of the Earth now, I think aside from man-made damage, the Earth is healthy. Also, you have to remember that such an impact on Earth could have ripped the atmosphere away from Earth. Many believe that if future moon-sized objects did hit Earth, the atmosphere would be ripped away. Also, to make the Earth's mantle exposed, would have killed all life on Earth. But since there are evidence out that support there was life after the Dinosaur mass extinction, tha eventually led the way for the domination of mammals, that a moon sized object could not have done as what you suggested. In fact if there was such an impact, then life would have to start all over again down to the formations of cells again. To create life again like before, would take billions of years not millions. If such a theory is true, I believe it would have happened very early in the Earth's life, while it was still forming.
Guest Posted July 27, 2003 Posted July 27, 2003 Yes McCavoy. Apparently we we're watching two different theories. Destroying all life on Earth, and essentially forcing it to rebuild was why they called this Earth: Mark II. We are not talking about 'leaving scars', we are talking about full planetary revalution. Definetly before the age of the dinosaurs. Different theories I guess, but very interesting, and some nice cg.
McAvoy Posted July 27, 2003 Posted July 27, 2003 When I meant scars, I meant varying from giant crators to still recovering from such an impact to still forming. In either case, today's Earth possesses no scar. Definteily before life.
Guest Posted July 31, 2003 Posted July 31, 2003 4.184*10^12 joules=1 kiloton When you divide that into my figure of 5.9318181818*10^14 watts you get 141.774 kilotons a second. Looks like the Canon Megasmashers are likely more powerful then the WG datafiles give them credit.
*zeo Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 Actually, TNT detonation=4.2E6 J/kg and a kiloton=907,029.4785 kg's. So 1 kiloton=3.795011338*10^12 Joules Which divides FOG3's figure, which he got from calculating energy needed to generate the mass of G1 in the 11 hours it took in the Manga using the E=MC^2 formula, to 156.3056775 kilotons worth of energy per second. This in no way tells us the power available for the Mega Smashers however as it only tells us the total energy available for regeneration and not how much energy goes to each weapon. Remember also Takaya is not a scientist so using real world numbers would not necessarily work for the Manga. If the Guyver really generated that much power it would be a lot more powerful than even the Gigantic has shown itself in the Manga. The estimates used in the WG.com fan fic is based on observation of how much damage is caused by the Mega Smashers and the rough estimate of how much energy it would take to cause that using real world numbers.
Guest Posted August 1, 2003 Posted August 1, 2003 But where do you get that estimate? The kiloton to joules? Just typed "Kiloton joules" into google and found several .edu sites with the figure such as this one. The rest is my own calcs which I provided enough info of that you could check them. At least I thought I did . Just showing how dangerous these things would be if Takaya was scientifically oriented, in part. As the title says they're interesting numbers. EDIT: Well I suppose you could say that the CM was in a sort of Emergency mode and thus working beyond its normal perameters to rationalize the discrepency of performance. Otherwise since the Megasmasher is supposed to be tiring it should be drawing more energy from the system then is comming in. Thus why I even mentioned the possibility of a discrepency in the WG data files as I calculated part of the energy comming in. Of course that ignores stress of firing it, possible waste products resulting, etc. A full strength Guyver punch should be what? 20,000 Pounds (80,000 divided by four limbs as 2,000 pounds to a ton in Imperial standard) of force across something like 6 inches squared (Front on my fist is 2" on the first bone segment and 3" across), which should come out to several thousand psi.
Guest Posted August 2, 2003 Posted August 2, 2003 zeo1234 Remember also Takaya is not a scientist so using real world numbers would not necessarily work for the Manga Takaya did say that he is not a scientist, but there has been the odd occasion where he proves to not be a complete idiot either. I'm sure he's heard of a few things hear and there and decided to incorporate them. That's the benifit of being a writer (remember the difference in peoples perceptions of comics in Japan and America). A writer has the priveledge of 'showing off' what they do know in their work, and at the same time make stuff up. Where the balance lies is a very good question.
*zeo Posted August 2, 2003 Posted August 2, 2003 Yes, whoever posted that didn't take into account the difference between the US system and the metric system, which is strange considering the one just above the energy quote plainly shows the difference. TNT detonation energy is only 4.184 in kilogram measurement, while US Tons are based on pounds. Just goes to show you can't trust everything posted on the web, gotta have your own database for figures or at least cross reference more than one or two sites. Another thing to consider is whether the energy the CM draws from hyper space is for the unit as a whole or strickly for regeneration? After all we must remember the Unit was not originally designed as a weapon and it was mainly the Guyver effect that made it become a weapon. I.E.> In the WG fan fiction the HSL was thought up when we considered this very discrepancy FOG3 has brought up now. The main difference from a normal unit was the assumption that a normal unit only draws energy upon activation and to regenerate. Anyway that's my theory from around nine years ago and still going.
Guest Posted August 2, 2003 Posted August 2, 2003 Yes, whoever posted that didn't take into account the difference between the US system and the metric system, which is strange considering the one just above the energy quote plainly shows the difference. TNT detonation energy is only 4.184 in kilogram measurement, while US Tons are based on pounds. Just goes to show you can't trust everything posted on the web, gotta have your own database for figures or at least cross reference more than one or two sites. Thank you, zeo1234. I tried to put up the figures I was using. So if I picked up a faulty figure or messed up in my calcs it could quickly be picked up and corrected. I appreciate your help. It's still sort of insane though at 10% output it'd be putting out the equivelant of the Hiroshima A-bomb (about 15 kT) every second. EDIT: Out of curiosity I calculated how long Guyver 3 would take to regenerate if power is constant and what I calculated above. Mass of G-3: 328 kg Energy:2.952*10^19 Total Time in seconds (divided energy by previous power calc): 49,765.52 seconds Thus Agito's internal timer to regeneration should read when it initiates: 13:49:25.52 That's Hours:Minutes:Seconds btw. EDIT: Not that anyone is going to look back and see this (and I don't dare double post to bump it) but I've discovered something I found interesting. The total combined yield of all the nuclear bombs on the planet is estimated to come to 10,000 megatons ergo 10 Gigatons. The total energy requirements for Sho's reconstruction are equivelant to a little more then 5.6 Gigatons. Think about that. In less then a full day, 24 hours, a Guyver should theoretically be able to exceed the power of the entire nuclear arsenel of the planet and probably still have an excess equal to all of the power the world's power plants would be providing in that time span. Note:Gigaton figure uses trillion calorie figure ie 4.18*10^12 joules.
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