Elder Scroll The Elder Scrolls Franchise [ Lore, History, and All TES Games]

[Guest Jupiter]

Since my experience with the last three  games that were produced. That being Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. I enjoyed Oblivion and Skyrim the most. Yes, I liked Morrowind. But it was not anywhere as cool as the games on the PS3 or X-Box 360 generation consoles. I enjoyed much of what I did in Skyrim and what  I did. I am beginning to wonder when and where the next Elder Scrolls( That being the Elder Scrolls 6 and not the Elder Scrolls Online)  will take place. It may not have been announced yet. But the next Elder Scrolls is very inevitable. Every Elder Scrolls fan knew that an Elder Scrolls 5 was going to be made, they just didn't know when. Now my only disappointed with Oblivion was that there was not a lot of fairness between PS3 and X-Box 360. Every DLC was pretty much released for the 360. Armor and location and quest dlcs, about 7 total were all given to the 360. Only two were given over to the PS3, that being Knights of the Nine and the Shivering Isles.

 

With Skyrim however. I pretty much had a nerd rage when it took them over a year to give PS3 fanboys Dawnguard. I was pretty pissed off at Ted Howard when he said that Sony's PS3 wouldn't be getting it. I must have waited an eternity for that DLC. Oblivion didn't have much to do with vampires except for a small few vampire side quests. However I had the Oghma Infinium glitch to make new characters within a span of 5 hours to get level 81 until that was fixed with the 1.9 update. I spent much of my time glitch leveling. I didn't care to sit there and spam skills over and over. Its a complete waste of time and I agree with modding and exploiting. To me its not hard work. Its just spamming no where hardly for the next couple of months for level 81. So if you can exploit it, than you're good to go for quests and what not. I was pretty impressed with the new level system to where you can get all perks and infinite levels.

 

Over the span of the entire series, I do believe that the only places that TES hasn't actually visited are Valenwood and the Summerset Isles. You could explore Elsweyr in Arena, Daggerfall is set in High Rock, Hammerfell is in Hammerfell, Morrowind is in Morrowind, Oblivion is in Cyrodiil, and Skyrim is in Skyrim. From all of the lore portrayed across the games, the separate games do not really have a whole lot to do with each other, other than the mention of specific events. I highly doubt they would copy the events of Skyrim and put them in another land; so even if they did Hammerfell again, there probably wouldn't be a lot about the Great War. It would be nice to step away from Tamriel, because we all know that there are major events occurring in Akavir (although probably not a whole lot of anything in Atmora), and Tamriel is already almost completely used.

 

I would like it if Bethesda allowed us to explore a different continent.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Technically the first game had it so you visited everywhere and TESO right now has all provinces (To a point not all 100% are explorable.)

 

My main love for the Elder Scrolls series is the absolute massive ocean of lore that it has. It almost feels like its living now. For those wanting to understand TES Lore, Beware! It has one of the deepest and confusing lore in any medium. It gets up there with Dune when dealing with the weird weird stuff. I suggest going to the subreddit r/teslore to see some of the craziest stuff but the biggest topic for the TES lore community has been....

 

c0da

 

If you don't know any of the main pieces of TES and Michael Kirkbride's writings then this will seem like its all garbledy gook but it is all metaphysical and extremely important to the Elder Scrolls Universe/s <- main point of c0da is that pluralization.

[Guest Jupiter]

I enjoy the myhology behind the Daedric Princes.

I really liked how Sheogorath at one point in time was the strongest Daedric Lord. He used to be the Lord or Order, Jyggalag and he was the head of all the Daedric Lords. They didn't make a move with out his say. He was so powerful that the other Princes began to fear him and his power. As a result, they cursed him to live in opposition of everything he stood for, to live the life of a madman and bring chaos and insanity rather than order and logic. Henceforth, Jyggalag became known as the Daedric Prince of Madness; Sheogorath. I would really like to see Jyggalag again in another Elder Scrolls game. He was fun to fight and I thought he was way cool. I'm guessing he reverted back to Sheogorath, because we see the god of insanity in Skyrim. Jyggalag can never be free of Sheogorath because of his curse. I just think it'd be interesting to see Jyggalag return.

 

[*PrimalNemesis]

I was not aware of the Elder Scrolls series till my father bought me Oblivion. When I first started I was extremely confused and put off by the in depth lore because I was not familiar with any of it yet. When I finally had a chance to study some of the online material I began to understand the game and it's predecessors a little better. I was still very green, but I was able to build a decent bruiser type character after a few tries. After spending several months playing Oblivion and eventually beating the main quest I was thoroughly invested into the games lore. I wanted more. I wanted to learn more about the gods and daedric princes of the Elder Scrolls series. I wanted to raid more dungeons to find rare artifacts. Unfortunately I was unable to continue much after the main quest was finished because of the limitations of my old Xbox's hard drive. I could not download most of the dlc for that game, so I missed out on a lot of the extra goodies like Shimmering Isle. When Skyrim came out I immediately hit that up. Even though it was not as convoluted as Oblivion I still felt it lacked a little bit of something. I love the game and what it brings to the table, but I felt it was a kinda a step down from Oblivion. I still invested several months into Skyrim and beat the main quest. I also played all of the dlc. I felt the ending to Skyrim could have been a lot better, but overall the game was another hit in my book, so I am satisfied. I still research the series every now and then to keep up with what is going on. One thing I would really like to see is maybe a spinoff game based around The Dark Brotherhood. Maybe we could eventually see Sithis in action.

[Guest Jupiter]

I was not aware of the Elder Scrolls series till my father bought me Oblivion. When I first started I was extremely confused and put off by the in depth lore because I was not familiar with any of it yet. When I finally had a chance to study some of the online material I began to understand the game and it's predecessors a little better. I was still very green, but I was able to build a decent bruiser type character after a few tries. After spending several months playing Oblivion and eventually beating the main quest I was thoroughly invested into the games lore. I wanted more. I wanted to learn more about the gods and daedric princes of the Elder Scrolls series. I wanted to raid more dungeons to find rare artifacts. Unfortunately I was unable to continue much after the main quest was finished because of the limitations of my old Xbox's hard drive. I could not download most of the dlc for that game, so I missed out on a lot of the extra goodies like Shimmering Isle. When Skyrim came out I immediately hit that up. Even though it was not as convoluted as Oblivion I still felt it lacked a little bit of something. I love the game and what it brings to the table, but I felt it was a kinda a step down from Oblivion. I still invested several months into Skyrim and beat the main quest. I also played all of the dlc. I felt the ending to Skyrim could have been a lot better, but overall the game was another hit in my book, so I am satisfied. I still research the series every now and then to keep up with what is going on. One thing I would really like to see is maybe a spinoff game based around The Dark Brotherhood. Maybe we could eventually see Sithis in action.

Well, we have seen Sithis in action through history. He is the father of Lorkhan and created the Daedric Princes, mainly Mephala being his favorite and its been widely insinuated that Mephala is the Night Mother and how she likes to taunt mortals into killing each other. He is the soul incarnate of Padomay just as Anu- El is the soul incarnate of Anu who is the father of Auriel ( an extension of himself. Anu, Auriel and Akatosh make up somewhat of a trinity since they are soul incarnates of the same being but equally powerful to one another) and creator of the other Divines. Sithis is what I would describe as the Archenphel of the lesser Daedric Lords. I thought the Dark Brotherhood was better in Skyrim because the story line was longer and you could continue doing jobs via radiant quest line.

Sithis wants to return the universe to what it used to be, a void. He hates everything. Sithis also likes to lie to his worshippers and make them believe that all of the gods, Anu and the Divines are false creations and need to be destroyed. However it is known that Sithis offers a sense of Immortaliy to his worshippers the same way Nords do for Talos and also Shor, the divine god of Soverngard. So no matter who your character worships, it just seems they end up happy in that afterlife after all. But, yes, I do like Sithis just as much as you do. Unlike the Daedra, he is a true god. However as powerful and as vast as he is, it'd be hard even for Bethesda to describe what he should look and act like. I'd say he's as cold as the void. So....good or evil, you're character still gets a happy ending to which ever god he worships.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Actually Sithis isn't an actual persona but is a representation of the one primordial state of chaos. "He" technically doesn't exist in the Elder Scrolls Universe but the Universe that is outside of the TES one. TES is a dream of an unconscious godhead called the Amaranth. Well Sithis did make it into the dream but he isn't an all powerful deity and just chaos. Sithis is just copying his "father" Padomay's want of complete nothingness as Padomay destroyed Anu and his love child Nir in the first universe which caused Anu to become the first amaranth.

 

Some weird stuff but comprehensible.

 

So Sithis isn't going to appear or talk to you anytime soon he isn't sentient like Daedric Princes.

[Guest Jupiter]

Actually Sithis isn't an actual persona but is a representation of the one primordial state of chaos. "He" technically doesn't exist in the Elder Scrolls Universe but the Universe that is outside of the TES one. TES is a dream of an unconscious godhead called the Amaranth. Well Sithis did make it into the dream but he isn't an all powerful deity and just chaos. Sithis is just copying his "father" Padomay's want of complete nothingness as Padomay destroyed Anu and his love child Nir in the first universe which caused Anu to become the first amaranth.

 

Some weird stuff but comprehensible.

 

So Sithis isn't going to appear or talk to you anytime soon he isn't sentient like Daedric Princes.

 

I think my favorite Daedric Lords are Jygalagg, Molag Bal ( I really enjoyed the Vampire Lord perk), Hircine ( Werewolf perk was fun), Mehrunes Dagon, Azura,and Hermaeus Mora. I like all of the Daedric Lords, but those are mainly my favorites.

Do you think we'll ever see Jygalagg come back? I was most impressed with his character history and the Greymarch.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Who knows! There hasn't been any sign of him/her since he was freed from the cycle. He/she is probably either building his power once more or after what the other princes did to him/her I think Jygalagg might be keeping distance from them until he/she gains some footing.

[Guest Jupiter]

Who knows! There hasn't been any sign of him/her since he was freed from the cycle. He/she is probably either building his power once more or after what the other princes did to him/her I think Jygalagg might be keeping distance from them until he/she gains some footing.

 

So, did the Hero of Kvatch become the new Sheogorath?

Sheogorath kept mentioning through out the entire Shivering Isle questline that the hero would become Sheogorath and that he would have your eyes, while he became jygalagg and that he needed someone to save the realm from Greymarch. So when we see Sheogorath again. His eyes are different, like white, while in the Shivering Isle's they were gold and snake like. So I imagine to go their own ways, Sheogorath had to take the body of a mortal from Cyrodil, to turn it into a new Sheogorath Daedric Prince and to divide from Jygalagg maybe?

[The Crimson Guyver]

Who knows! There hasn't been any sign of him/her since he was freed from the cycle. He/she is probably either building his power once more or after what the other princes did to him/her I think Jygalagg might be keeping distance from them until he/she gains some footing.

 

So, did the Hero of Kvatch become the new Sheogorath?

Sheogorath kept mentioning through out the entire Shivering Isle questline that the hero would become Sheogorath and that he would have your eyes, while he became jygalagg and that he needed someone to save the realm from Greymarch. So when we see Sheogorath again. His eyes are different, like white, while in the Shivering Isle's they were gold and snake like. So I imagine to go their own ways, Sheogorath had to take the body of a mortal from Cyrodil, to turn it into a new Sheogorath Daedric Prince and to divide from Jygalagg maybe?

 

Its all but confirmed that the Hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath, it was possible because it is theorized the HoK(or CoC) was a Shezzarine (An avatar of Shor(Lorkhan)) and Sheogorath who was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed from the world. So Sheogorath is some what related to Lorkhan.

 

The white eyes is just bethesda saving resources and using an existing eye texture for NPCs. It would be a waste to give him his own unique texture if you only interact with Sheogorath for a small quest. Sheogorath couldn't just take any mortal body (he doesn't need a body... He is the shivering isles technically a daedric prince is their oblivion realm.) He needed an avatar of Lorkhan as he is technically from Lorkhan himself.

[Guest Jupiter]

 

Who knows! There hasn't been any sign of him/her since he was freed from the cycle. He/she is probably either building his power once more or after what the other princes did to him/her I think Jygalagg might be keeping distance from them until he/she gains some footing.

 

So, did the Hero of Kvatch become the new Sheogorath?

Sheogorath kept mentioning through out the entire Shivering Isle questline that the hero would become Sheogorath and that he would have your eyes, while he became jygalagg and that he needed someone to save the realm from Greymarch. So when we see Sheogorath again. His eyes are different, like white, while in the Shivering Isle's they were gold and snake like. So I imagine to go their own ways, Sheogorath had to take the body of a mortal from Cyrodil, to turn it into a new Sheogorath Daedric Prince and to divide from Jygalagg maybe?

 

Its all but confirmed that the Hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath, it was possible because it is theorized the HoK(or CoC) was a Shezzarine (An avatar of Shor(Lorkhan)) and Sheogorath who was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed from the world. So Sheogorath is some what related to Lorkhan.

 

The white eyes is just bethesda saving resources and using an existing eye texture for NPCs. It would be a waste to give him his own unique texture if you only interact with Sheogorath for a small quest. Sheogorath couldn't just take any mortal body (he doesn't need a body... He is the shivering isles technically a daedric prince is their oblivion realm.) He needed an avatar of Lorkhan as he is technically from Lorkhan himself.

 

That explains it better. I'm happy that I got to see Sheogorath at all in Skyrim. I guess they had him make an appearance because he has fans, so I imagine they just show him to keep up appearances. So do all Dragonborns get passage to Sovngarde, or do they have to earn it like any other mortal in Nirn? I know Miraak is the only one I know of that was taken by a Daedric Lord, but that was before he would have died. So did Hermaous Mora keep Miraak alive because that was the only way he could have his soul so the Divines couldn't reclaim him upon death like Alduin?

[The Crimson Guyver]

 

 

Its all but confirmed that the Hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath, it was possible because it is theorized the HoK(or CoC) was a Shezzarine (An avatar of Shor(Lorkhan)) and Sheogorath who was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed from the world. So Sheogorath is some what related to Lorkhan.

 

The white eyes is just bethesda saving resources and using an existing eye texture for NPCs. It would be a waste to give him his own unique texture if you only interact with Sheogorath for a small quest. Sheogorath couldn't just take any mortal body (he doesn't need a body... He is the shivering isles technically a daedric prince is their oblivion realm.) He needed an avatar of Lorkhan as he is technically from Lorkhan himself.

 

That explains it better. I'm happy that I got to see Sheogorath at all in Skyrim. I guess they had him make an appearance because he has fans, so I imagine they just show him to keep up appearances. So do all Dragonborns get passage to Sovngarde, or do they have to earn it like any other mortal in Nirn? I know Miraak is the only one I know of that was taken by a Daedric Lord, but that was before he would have died. So did Hermaous Mora keep Miraak alive because that was the only way he could have his soul so the Divines couldn't reclaim him upon death like Alduin?

 

I haven't really dabbled in the solstheim DLC so I don't know the full extent of Miraak and Hermaeus.  Technically Aka(tosh) owns the dragonborn's soul and can choose where the DB's soul will end up. If a dragon kills the DB then that dragon absorbs him but any other death well it would be up to Aka seeing as he is the father of Dragons and Jills (jills are female dragons who repair time especially when it is really wrecked with dragonbreaks)

[Guest Jupiter]

 

 

 

Its all but confirmed that the Hero of Kvatch mantled Sheogorath, it was possible because it is theorized the HoK(or CoC) was a Shezzarine (An avatar of Shor(Lorkhan)) and Sheogorath who was created when Lorkhan's divine spark was removed from the world. So Sheogorath is some what related to Lorkhan.

 

The white eyes is just bethesda saving resources and using an existing eye texture for NPCs. It would be a waste to give him his own unique texture if you only interact with Sheogorath for a small quest. Sheogorath couldn't just take any mortal body (he doesn't need a body... He is the shivering isles technically a daedric prince is their oblivion realm.) He needed an avatar of Lorkhan as he is technically from Lorkhan himself.

 

That explains it better. I'm happy that I got to see Sheogorath at all in Skyrim. I guess they had him make an appearance because he has fans, so I imagine they just show him to keep up appearances. So do all Dragonborns get passage to Sovngarde, or do they have to earn it like any other mortal in Nirn? I know Miraak is the only one I know of that was taken by a Daedric Lord, but that was before he would have died. So did Hermaous Mora keep Miraak alive because that was the only way he could have his soul so the Divines couldn't reclaim him upon death like Alduin?

 

I haven't really dabbled in the solstheim DLC so I don't know the full extent of Miraak and Hermaeus.  Technically Aka(tosh) owns the dragonborn's soul and can choose where the DB's soul will end up. If a dragon kills the DB then that dragon absorbs him but any other death well it would be up to Aka seeing as he is the father of Dragons and Jills (jills are female dragons who repair time especially when it is really wrecked with dragonbreaks)

 

Should we expect to see more Dragonborn in future TES games or was that only for Skyrim?

I'm sure we'll be fighting dragons in the next games.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Only for Skyrim, there are never a returning hero for elder scrolls games. I really wonder what the next game will be about there is only a small amount of time before Landfall which destroys all of Tamriel with the Numidium returning and just destroying time and memory itself.

[Guest Jupiter]

Only for Skyrim, there are never a returning hero for elder scrolls games. I really wonder what the next game will be about there is only a small amount of time before Landfall which destroys all of Tamriel with the Numidium returning and just destroying time and memory itself.

 

I've heard of Landfall. But even if they put that in a future TES game. Wouldn't there be a hero to stop the events and save Tamriel and all of Nirn yet again?

It just seems with Mehrunes Dagon trying to take Nirn and than Alduin trying to kill or enslave everyone; it just seems that Landfall would be somewhat like that.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Not really when it comes to fighting the Numidium its pretty much impossible. It is a 1000+ft tall giant brass god robot that is has been fighting the thalmor's mirror mages in all of time and has kicked their asses through out. In the end the destruction of the numidium by Jubal Sul shattered the universe. So if it was in a game you'd be doing worse for everything when killing the brass god.

[Guest Jupiter]

Not really when it comes to fighting the Numidium its pretty much impossible. It is a 1000+ft tall giant brass god robot that is has been fighting the thalmor's mirror mages in all of time and has kicked their asses through out. In the end the destruction of the numidium by Jubal Sul shattered the universe. So if it was in a game you'd be doing worse for everything when killing the brass god.

So the Elder Scrolls is going to end eventually from what you're saying. Is it possible for them to make prequel games that are set further back before the first games?

[The Crimson Guyver]

Not really when it comes to fighting the Numidium its pretty much impossible. It is a 1000+ft tall giant brass god robot that is has been fighting the thalmor's mirror mages in all of time and has kicked their asses through out. In the end the destruction of the numidium by Jubal Sul shattered the universe. So if it was in a game you'd be doing worse for everything when killing the brass god.

So the Elder Scrolls is going to end eventually from what you're saying. Is it possible for them to make prequel games that are set further back before the first games?

 

Technically no the end of c0da is what a coda truly is in music meaning a passage that brings a piece to an end.

 

The TES universe doesn't end. The Amaranth is born and Dreams the new Dream. The current universe stays as it is and continues on. If you want to believe MK's texts, it continues as far as the 9th era.

And Time ending doesn't destroy Mundus. Dragon Breaks have happened and Mundus is still quite ok, thanks to the Jills. During Dawn time there was no Time and still the Gods were able to create Mundus.

 

The main point c0da is bringing up that with what has happened in c0da there are now infinite amount of alternate universes everything is possible. In 1 universe it has truly ended and in another it keeps going. Another one has flying dreughs that spit molten cheese at you. Pretty much it is the Elk (michael kirkbride) saying your stories are just as canon as bethesda's. Bethesda has actually acknowledged this with TESO.

[Guest Jupiter]

 

Not really when it comes to fighting the Numidium its pretty much impossible. It is a 1000+ft tall giant brass god robot that is has been fighting the thalmor's mirror mages in all of time and has kicked their asses through out. In the end the destruction of the numidium by Jubal Sul shattered the universe. So if it was in a game you'd be doing worse for everything when killing the brass god.

So the Elder Scrolls is going to end eventually from what you're saying. Is it possible for them to make prequel games that are set further back before the first games?

 

Technically no the end of c0da is what a coda truly is in music meaning a passage that brings a piece to an end.

The TES universe doesn't end. The Amaranth is born and Dreams the new Dream. The current universe stays as it is and continues on. If you want to believe MK's texts, it continues as far as the 9th era.

And Time ending doesn't destroy Mundus. Dragon Breaks have happened and Mundus is still quite ok, thanks to the Jills. During Dawn time there was no Time and still the Gods were able to create Mundus.

The main point c0da is bringing up that with what has happened in c0da there are now infinite amount of alternate universes everything is possible. In 1 universe it has truly ended and in another it keeps going. Another one has flying dreughs that spit molten cheese at you. Pretty much it is the Elk (michael kirkbride) saying your stories are just as canon as bethesda's. Bethesda has actually acknowledged this with TESO.

Ah, okay. I just feel like every Daedric Lord and demi god like Mehrunes Dagon and Alduin are out to kill and enslave everyone. Seems everyone on Nirn has been through so much. I can truelly say the 9 Divines really care. I was really rooting for Akatosh as he bannished Mehrunes Dagon back to Oblivion, and the Knights of The Nine to beat Umaril the Unfeathered. By the way, I thought Meridia was good, so why allow her servant Umaril the Unfeathered and the Aurorans to mess up their chapels and kill the 9 Divines Worshippers? I had some trouble understanding that DLC. I even read about Pelinal Whitestrake and how he was tortured and killed by the Ayleids after he killed Umaril. It did not make sense why Meridia allowed the Aurorans to trash those temples. I'm guessing Umaril's goal was to enslave everyone in Tamriel?

[The Crimson Guyver]

Ah, okay. I just feel like every Daedric Lord and demi god like Mehrunes Dagon and Alduin are out to kill and enslave everyone. Seems everyone on Nirn has been through so much. I can truelly say the 9 Divines really care. I was really rooting for Akatosh as he bannished Mehrunes Dagon back to Oblivion, and the Knights of The Nine to beat Umaril the Unfeathered. By the way, I thought Meridia was good, so why allow her servant Umaril the Unfeathered and the Aurorans to mess up their chapels and kill the 9 Divines Worshippers? I had some trouble understanding that DLC. I even read about Pelinal Whitestrake and how he was tortured and killed by the Ayleids after he killed Umaril. It did not make sense why Meridia allowed the Aurorans to trash those temples. I'm guessing Umaril's goal was to enslave everyone in Tamriel?

 

Daedric Lords are neither good or evil they are what they embody and represent and want. Such as Mehrunes Dagon being for Change and Destruction and Molag Bal for domination and rape. Meridia is a Daedra, one of the et'ada who chose not to contribute themselves to the creation of mundus. She doesn't like the Aedra so she probably rooted for Umaril to go on his revenge quest against the divines.

 

Pelinal Whitestrake is another weird lore piece. He is actually a robot created by Kyne(erath) from the future sent to the past to help Alessia and her slave rebellion. He was created for 1 purpose KILL ALL THOSE DARN ELVES! He is also another shezzarine an avatar of Lorkhan. Pelinal was a bit insane also which helps with the shezzarine bit haha.

[Guest Jupiter]

Ah, okay. I just feel like every Daedric Lord and demi god like Mehrunes Dagon and Alduin are out to kill and enslave everyone. Seems everyone on Nirn has been through so much. I can truelly say the 9 Divines really care. I was really rooting for Akatosh as he bannished Mehrunes Dagon back to Oblivion, and the Knights of The Nine to beat Umaril the Unfeathered. By the way, I thought Meridia was good, so why allow her servant Umaril the Unfeathered and the Aurorans to mess up their chapels and kill the 9 Divines Worshippers? I had some trouble understanding that DLC. I even read about Pelinal Whitestrake and how he was tortured and killed by the Ayleids after he killed Umaril. It did not make sense why Meridia allowed the Aurorans to trash those temples. I'm guessing Umaril's goal was to enslave everyone in Tamriel?

 

Daedric Lords are neither good or evil they are what they embody and represent and want. Such as Mehrunes Dagon being for Change and Destruction and Molag Bal for domination and rape. Meridia is a Daedra, one of the et'ada who chose not to contribute themselves to the creation of mundus. She doesn't like the Aedra so she probably rooted for Umaril to go on his revenge quest against the divines.

 

Pelinal Whitestrake is another weird lore piece. He is actually a robot created by Kyne(erath) from the future sent to the past to help Alessia and her slave rebellion. He was created for 1 purpose KILL ALL THOSE DARN ELVES! He is also another shezzarine an avatar of Lorkhan. Pelinal was a bit insane also which helps with the shezzarine bit haha.

 

From what you've said, that makes a lot of sense about her. Would you know what happened to the Dwemer and why they vanished? Thats been my biggest question. A species like that just doesn't vanish like that. I mean, look at the Snow Elves. Their civilization fell apart because of the Dwemer. But the Snow Elves are walking around blind and wild, killing everyone they come across. It'd be cool if TES brought the Dwemer back as a playable race.

[The Crimson Guyver]

From what you've said, that makes a lot of sense about her. Would you know what happened to the Dwemer and why they vanished? Thats been my biggest question. A species like that just doesn't vanish like that. I mean, look at the Snow Elves. Their civilization fell apart because of the Dwemer. But the Snow Elves are walking around blind and wild, killing everyone they come across. It'd be cool if TES brought the Dwemer back as a playable race.

Thats actually been known for a while now. The simple explanation is that they became the brass skin to the numidium. The Dwemer have mass telepathy called "The Calling" meaning they can all can talk to each other no matter where they are in the world with their minds so they are all linked together. So when Kagrenac did whatever he did with the tonal tools to the heart of lorkhan that caused them to vanish in an instant (when they vanished their bodies turned to ash.) they all went because they were linked it also explains why Yagrum (the last dwemer in morrowind) is still around as he was in an oblivion plane when the "convergence" happened. So when he returned it was silent even in his mind.

In a world where gods are very apparent and real. The dwemer chose not to believe that they were gods but just other people and that they chose to worship ideals such as Reason and Logic. They thought themselves greater then the Daedric Princes and Aedra who created Mundus. So their main goal was to become a god themselves using the Heart of Lorkhan which is literally the actual heart of Lorkhan.

Edited June 28, 2014 by The Crimson Guyver

[Guest Jupiter]

From what you've said, that makes a lot of sense about her. Would you know what happened to the Dwemer and why they vanished? Thats been my biggest question. A species like that just doesn't vanish like that. I mean, look at the Snow Elves. Their civilization fell apart because of the Dwemer. But the Snow Elves are walking around blind and wild, killing everyone they come across. It'd be cool if TES brought the Dwemer back as a playable race.

Thats actually been known for a while now. The simple explanation is that they became the brass skin to the numidium. The Dwemer have mass telepathy called "The Calling" meaning they can all can talk to each other no matter where they are in the world with their minds so they are all linked together. So when Kagrenac did whatever he did with the tonal tools to the heart of lorkhan that caused them to vanish in an instant (when they vanished their bodies turned to ash.) they all went because they were linked it also explains why Yagrum (the last dwemer in morrowind) is still around as he was in an oblivion plane when the "convergence" happened. So when he returned it was silent even in his mind.

In a world where gods are very apparent and real. The dwemer chose not to believe that they were gods but just other people and that they chose to worship ideals such as Reason and Logic. They thought themselves greater then the Daedric Princes and Aedra who created Mundus. So their main goal was to become a god themselves using the Heart of Lorkhan which is literally the actual heart of Lorkhan.

 

Isn't Yagrum sick with Corpus and his body is warped and bloated by the disease and thats why he's lived for so long because he became undead?

How come we don't hear about Corpus anymore in the other games?  The only undead diseases are Sanguinar Vampiris and Sanies Lupinus. I mean, it seems the only champion that became fully immortal from a different strain of corpus was the Nerevarine.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Isn't Yagrum sick with Corpus and his body is warped and bloated by the disease and thats why he's lived for so long because he became undead?

How come we don't hear about Corpus anymore in the other games?  The only undead diseases are Sanguinar Vampiris and Sanies Lupinus. I mean, it seems the only champion that became fully immortal from a different strain of corpus was the Nerevarine.

 

 

Yeah Yagrum had Corpus but the Nerevarine cured the Corpus disease and ended its spread by defeating Dagoth Ur and the Sixth House. After Corpus was cured.... well it was cured.

[Guest Jupiter]

Isn't Yagrum sick with Corpus and his body is warped and bloated by the disease and thats why he's lived for so long because he became undead?

How come we don't hear about Corpus anymore in the other games?  The only undead diseases are Sanguinar Vampiris and Sanies Lupinus. I mean, it seems the only champion that became fully immortal from a different strain of corpus was the Nerevarine.

 

 

Yeah Yagrum had Corpus but the Nerevarine cured the Corpus disease and ended its spread by defeating Dagoth Ur and the Sixth House. After Corpus was cured.... well it was cured.

Since we're talking about Corpus; why do Daedric Lords like Hircine and Molag Bal make diseases like Lycanthropy and Vampirism?

on a side note; I do like the werewolf perk, I like the 100% disease resistance, its fun to use the transformations, not much for vampires because I'm more of a fan for Dawnguard and The Companions. I have no idea why vampires feel they are immortal but when hit with anti-vampire weapons they go down really fast. Must be some self delusion that comes with being a vampire.

So where did Molag Bal's vampires get the idea they had eternal life? I don't think I'll ever the whole concept. But its really fun killing them in Skyrim.