Creator Immortality?

[Guest]

I have a question for you all to ponder. Are the creator aliens immortal, or do they just have a life span just slightly more extended then ours. If these aliens could create zoanoids, guyvers, and pretty much master the secrets of genetic prosperity, then it would seen logical. But I need some else's opinion.

[*zeo]

I would say immortal as far as we're concerned. Consider the fact they wondered through space, that alone can take millions of years, then the fact that once they discovered Earth and started experimenting they basically let nature take its course and only intervened when they saw the evolving life did not fit their needs. That took eons. So the Creators are either an extremely dedicated race that can wait thousands of generations to get something done or they are simply immortals who have all the time in the universe to wait to get things done. Either way they are extremely patient.

Then there is the factor of their technology for which the Guyver has shown indication with its ability to exactly regenerate the host that shows that even if they are capable of aging that they have the technology to avoid aging and even normal death. So at the very least they can live as long as they want or until their technology failed for whatever reason.

[Thunder Demon]

It could be as such like it is shown with whales, they do age, just at an extremely slow rate.

[Guest]

I agree with Zeo on this. For them, the Unit-G was standard equipment, and it reshapes the host into a physical image of what it was upon bonding... unless a 'failure' occurs, I'd say they have imortality in their grasp. Their patients seems to indicate this, yes.

And let's remember, Alkanphel is millions of years old. He's pulled one of the ultimate Ripvanwinkle's (it might be an interesting fanfic if the Ripvanwinkle fable was inspired by Alkie telling someone his life story). Sure, he's lost power, but rumor has it that it's because he's pulled zoacrystal from his own body.

The knowledge of tailomeres (spelling) in the DNA acting as a genetic fuse in every species even adds to the story that life on Earth is an experiment. For those that don't know, in every DNA strand is a molecular fuse called a tailomere. People grow/heal and such by cellular division. When a cell divides, so does a DNA strand (right down the middle) and rebuilds it's other have useing RNA and such. Problem is, each time it divides, one molecule of tailomere falls off. When it gets down to the last molecule.... the last molecule will refuse to divide, so both halfs of the DNA strand remain fused, but now semi divided and malformed. Since the connection is still there, the strand can only stay on one cell or the other to regulate the cell's chemical functions. It's malformed, and ends up poisoning the cell to death.

The fuse in humans gives us about 120 years of genetic life. Research has shown though that some species regenerate their tailomere leangths at different periods in their lives, but I think more research is still being done on that.

This might be how Agito's scientist limitied the life span of Shizu and the Zeus Thunderbolt Libertus

[*zeo]

True, when life started it was immortal but there is a natural reason why the telomeres evolved into our cells.

Basically there are two factors, the telomeres are one factor and YoungGuyver is correct on their function but the other half of the picture deals with how our bodies handle free radicals. Unfortunately oxygen is a toxic substance that we can't live without. It's the trade off made for the energy oxygen gives our bodies. Otherwise life would never have had the energy to evolve into more complex forms such as ourselves.

Studies to date indicate the better an organism deals with free radicals the longer it will live. Course an organism over time needs to handle genetic damage in order to survive. So in a way Telomeres simply tells our cells how long they have before they start malfunctioning so should die before that happens. Cells without telomeres may live longer but become cancerous and mutate from their intented function.

The other way life handles radicals is through offspring, natures way of repairing DNA and reseting the biological clock. It was the need to repair genetic damage that most life adopted our present way of reproduction.

The Guyver however keeps a copy of host DNA so can always restore host from any level of damage to the body. Along with reseting the telomeres length to the state they were at the time of original bonding, as the Guyver does with all other host characteristics, means the host becomes for all intent and purpose immortal.

As for Shizu and the Libertus, free radicals explains them as well. Agito's scientist didn't shorten their lives on purpose, it was simply a consequental result of what he had done to them. The reason most animal life on Earth has the same number of heartbeats for their lifetime, despite the differences in actual lifespan, is because of free radicals and the rate it damages DNA. The faster the metabolism the shorter the lifespan will thus be. Telomeres reflect this for each life form, since timing is everything in keeping life going. Inefficient life forms consequently dies quicker than efficient life forms.

So unless the life form develops an improved method of handling free radicals then the faster the metabolism the faster the damage and the faster that lifeform will die.

So they basically just burn out faster because of the power they were given. They need to be stabilized on the genetic level in order to live longer. Agito's scientist may know how to make zoaforms but he does not know how to keep them efficient enough to make them stable.