Guest Posted June 23, 2004 Posted June 23, 2004 Interestingly enough I don?t believe we?ve really discussed this particular topic yet. I haven?t went back over the anime to check but it does seem it really doesn?t have the dissolving Zoanoid aspect really. I can?t recall ever seeing them dissolve and I definitely recall corpses not dissolving long after they?d died. It?s definitely not as fast or pronounced as with manga. At first glance you just take into account it dissolves them but in chapter 4 of the First Volume of Manga (the one where Zerebubuse shows up), we see several Chronos Combatants dissolve and their armor and the grass they were lying on goes with them. This begs the question what all can be dissolved when they dissolve. To take out the grass it?s cannot just be a manufacturing aspect of their uniforms. If you stabbed one with a knife and it got stuck would the part inside of them be dissolved with them? If one fell on a person as it died would it dissolve him as the Zoanoid?s body dissolved? Seems as how Sho?s dad?s arm stayed intact as long as it did does that mean certain zoanoids dissolve significantly slower or not at all? I think this is something worth investigating.
Guest Posted June 24, 2004 Posted June 24, 2004 I agree. If you look at the two Ramotiths that Guyver I faced at the construction site in the anime you will notice that they dissolved at a rapid fast rate (mere seconds). But Gregole did not dissolve on his own until Vamore basicaly used his bio lasers on him. Perhaps you are right...
*zeo Posted June 25, 2004 Posted June 25, 2004 Time is a relative thing in the anime, like the Mega Smashers only take a second to fire but they drag it out for several seconds so you can see the target get vaporized in all its glory. Examples of real time scenes with the Mega Smashers in anime are the distance shot in episode 1 where the blast is seen going off into the distance and smashing into a mountain/hill. Scene where G3 vaporized Thancrus with a single Mega Smasher. Then there was the scene G1 used Smashers to blast hole to surface when attempting to rescue his father from Kronos. Another factor is metabolism, Ramotiths are mammal based zoaforms so have a rapid metabolism, while Gregoles are reptilian so have slow metabolism. Enzyme on the other hand is designed to survive bleeding a lot as to maximize its effectiveness against a Guyver so no surprise it would have a prolonged delay before its body parts started dissolving. Examples of dissolving in anime include those already mentioned by detrun77 as well as the episode G1 and G3 fight regular Kronos troops and kill them before they get a chance to transform in front of his friends home. Also remember the body has to realize its dead before dissolving. So the level of damage also determines the rate of dissolving. Enzymes are made to take a lot of damage before they die and Enzyme2's arm was neatly sliced off so took longer for the cells to register the damage and thus to trigger the dissolving process. The dissolving process itself is basically an accelerated decomposition and the byproducts can easily be accidic enough to destroy surrounding material before the process runs its course. So if a dying zoanoid did land on a person it would probably damage if not kill that person in the dissolving process if they did not extract themselves from it in time. But the person should be safe from total dissolving themselves unless they die before the zoanoid finishes dissolving as the process primarily effects dead cells and the enzyme accelerant would then affect the human as well.
Guest Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Yep, I think Zeo has said it all. I just want to add two things: I think the dissolving thing might be triggered by a metabolism regulator in the blood, which fits with what Zeo has pointed out. The reason for this, is that it looks like Guyot triggered both Enzyme and the Chronos Soldiers in chapter four to 'self-destruct'. If a zoalord's telepathy can trigger something in the brain of a zoanoid, it would be a good tactic in certain situations. To further explain (for those that have no clue what I'm talking about), humans have regulatory portions of their brains that pump chemicals into our blood.... if the brain senses we have too much water in our blood, it pumps in a chemical into our blood that gets the kidneys to extract water from the blood and put it in your bladder (alcohol can trigger this gland). The brain also sends out signals to control every cells metabolism, (how much food to take from the blood and such-cancer has been defined as cells that ignore these signals and grow at their own rate). So do you think there could be a 'self destruct' gland? A chemical in the blood of every zoanoid that tells them "not to self destruct yet"? That when death occurs, the chemical can not be pumped into the blood, thus the zoanoid dissolves.
Guest Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 So do you think there could be a 'self destruct' gland? A chemical in the blood of every zoanoid that tells them "not to self destruct yet"? That when death occurs, the chemical can not be pumped into the blood, thus the zoanoid dissolves. The hormone your refering to Younguyver is ADH (or anti-diuretic hormone) but yeah thats completely possible and makes the most sense. After all for something like Chronos to manipulate DNA to give people those abilities it would be childs play to them to give them a slight modification so they can be taken out strategicly.
Guest Posted July 6, 2004 Posted July 6, 2004 Time is a relative thing in the anime, like the Mega Smashers only take a second to fire but they drag it out for several seconds so you can see the target get vaporized in all its glory.Examples of real time scenes with the Mega Smashers in anime are the distance shot in episode 1 where the blast is seen going off into the distance and smashing into a mountain/hill. Scene where G3 vaporized Thancrus with a single Mega Smasher. Then there was the scene G1 used Smashers to blast hole to surface when attempting to rescue his father from Kronos. I'm well aware of anime's messing with time for such things. For instance you have to refer people to the Sailor Moon R movie to give them a halfway accurate way of how long it takes to pull off their attacks. However what I had in mind when I stated a discrepency was when the Chronos Tower falls in Data 6 we see all these zoanoid corpses lying around including Ramotiths. This is after the Segawas leave Chronos tower and G1 has to go back up amoung other things if your remember, a decent amount of time. Ramotiths in manga incidents I remember begin dissolving near instantly. Otherwise I pretty much agree with you.
*zeo Posted July 7, 2004 Posted July 7, 2004 True, it is most likely due to creative license to emphasis the violence but Takaya could always say they weren't dead yet, just dying, and wouldn't dissolve until fully dead. Remember G3 was still going through them when Sho took his friends out of the building, while others got crushed and hit by the explosions as the building started to collapse from Agito's well placed explosives, so those bodies may not have been there very long. Also remember the events in the anime did not occur in the same order as the Manga so time was generally messed up all around.
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