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[The Crimson Guyver]

Since we're talking about Corpus; why do Daedric Lords like Hircine and Molag Bal make diseases like Lycanthropy and Vampirism?

on a side note; I do like the werewolf perk, I like the 100% disease resistance, its fun to use the transformations, not much for vampires because I'm more of a fan for Dawnguard and The Companions. I have no idea why vampires feel they are immortal but when hit with anti-vampire weapons they go down really fast. Must be some self delusion that comes with being a vampire.

So where did Molag Bal's vampires get the idea they had eternal life? I don't think I'll ever the whole concept. But its really fun killing them in Skyrim.

 

 

The tale goes that Molag Bal disliked Arkay, an Aedra who showed great pride in his sphere (the cycle of life and death). So Molag Bal traveled to Tamriel (still newly-formed at the time), where he savagely raped the Nedic woman Lamae Beolfag and departed Nirn. Lamae was found and nursed by nomads, but death eventually overtook her. On the night of her cremation, she rose again, and brutally murdered the nomads. Dubbed a Daughter of Coldharbour‎, she then created more vampires, spreading the curse across Tamriel and making a mockery of Arkay's cycles.

 

Lycanthropy

[Guest Jupiter]

Since we're talking about Corpus; why do Daedric Lords like Hircine and Molag Bal make diseases like Lycanthropy and Vampirism?

on a side note; I do like the werewolf perk, I like the 100% disease resistance, its fun to use the transformations, not much for vampires because I'm more of a fan for Dawnguard and The Companions. I have no idea why vampires feel they are immortal but when hit with anti-vampire weapons they go down really fast. Must be some self delusion that comes with being a vampire.

So where did Molag Bal's vampires get the idea they had eternal life? I don't think I'll ever the whole concept. But its really fun killing them in Skyrim.

 

 

The tale goes that Molag Bal disliked Arkay, an Aedra who showed great pride in his sphere (the cycle of life and death). So Molag Bal traveled to Tamriel (still newly-formed at the time), where he savagely raped the Nedic woman Lamae Beolfag and departed Nirn. Lamae was found and nursed by nomads, but death eventually overtook her. On the night of her cremation, she rose again, and brutally murdered the nomads. Dubbed a Daughter of Coldharbour‎, she then created more vampires, spreading the curse across Tamriel and making a mockery of Arkay's cycles.

 

Lycanthropy

 

So if a woman becomes a Daughter of Coldharbour. Does that mean upon a violent death that Molag Bal takes them?

[The Crimson Guyver]

So if a woman becomes a Daughter of Coldharbour. Does that mean upon a violent death that Molag Bal takes them?

 

Hmmm? They technically are already taken when they are a vampire, they have no soul and they are dead. That's the reason why vampires can traverse the Soul Cairn they have no soul to get binded to that realm. Technically when Beolfag was raped by Molag Bal she was mortally wounded (probably took her soul) and she was already dead. So technically vampires are already in their afterlife dedicated to Molag Bal when they are a vampire.

 

Daughters and Sons of Coldharbour are the original of original vampires as they are turned into a vampire by Molag Bal himself meaning they were raped by Bal, Serana in Dawnguard pretty much says that.

[Guest Jupiter]

So if a woman becomes a Daughter of Coldharbour. Does that mean upon a violent death that Molag Bal takes them?

 

Hmmm? They technically are already taken when they are a vampire, they have no soul and they are dead. That's the reason why vampires can traverse the Soul Cairn they have no soul to get binded to that realm. Technically when Beolfag was raped by Molag Bal she was mortally wounded (probably took her soul) and she was already dead. So technically vampires are already in their afterlife dedicated to Molag Bal when they are a vampire.

 

Daughters and Sons of Coldharbour are the original of original vampires as they are turned into a vampire by Molag Bal himself meaning they were raped by Bal, Serana in Dawnguard pretty much says that.

So Molag Bal takes your soul  and gives you vampirism in exchange ?

So, if the soul isn't present in the body ,how does the vampire's body work without it?

[The Crimson Guyver]

So Molag Bal takes your soul and gives you vampirism in exchange ?

So, if the soul isn't present in the body ,how does the vampire's body work without it?

There technically no exchange, Vampirism is a curse not a blessing. He takes your innocence and soul and just leaves you there bloody and ruined.

How does the Vestige (Player/Hero in TESO) still go on without a soul throughout the entire game? How do Ghosts and undead remain? How does Olaf One Eye appear as a Draugr in 1 nordic tomb but also appears in Sovngarde? It is memory. If the memory of the person is strong or magic wills that memory to stay then that person actually continues to exists as the most common way a soul goes through the afterlife is the Dreamsleeve where it is recycled and all memory and sense of individuality is removed from it and placed back in a mortal body. But the memory of the previous person might stay around. Thats where you can have more then 1 entity claiming to be the same person.

Argonians are the weird ones in that if they live in Black Marsh they're souls are recycled by The Hist and placed into another argonian, that argonian can share the same memories and body with other argonians, which is very similar to how Geas(Gey-ash) in Halo Franchise work. Some important individuals have Geas with other beings within them and they can communicate with the main person. Kinda like being inhabited by a mini ghost who can only talk to you but can also take over your body for a while and talk as you.

My Argonian character I've RP'd since Morrowind is exactly that. He is born during Morrowind (3E 427) lives through Oblivion Crisis, becomes apart of the An-Xileel government in Black Marsh, is a commander in the 2nd Arnesian War (Argonians invade Morrowind after the Red Year, Sack it, commit mass murder then leave.) Is then killed by Umbriel the floating city and turned into a Undead Wurm (smart zombie) and after Umbriel is removed from Nirn he is claimed by the Hists and years later is placed within a new and young argonian that is very similar to who he was. He then help guides this new argonian in a new journey during the time of Skyrim (4E 201)

Some Screens of Sharpens-His-Tongue

Edited June 30, 2014 by The Crimson Guyver

[Guest Jupiter]

Are you familiar with the Oghma Infinium glitch? If you use the book in a new saved game, on the bookshelf, at the Breezehome...you can break to lvl 81 easy. If you delete everything, the updates included since the nerfed the OI glitch. If you have Skyrim on PC than it won't matter because you can use commands to put your character and skills at whatever level you want, but since I have 2 Skyrim copies at home regular and Legendary with 1.9 update. I did this 2 days ago on a new game because I started over. I made a Nord warrior, which is lvl 95 now, and joined the companions. I'm finished putting perks on Alchemy at the moment because I like the healing potions and making poison. My Nord can do One Handed, Block, Archery, heavy armor, Smithing, Alchemy, and have the werewolf beast blood (perk tree).
He's probably not as strong as Sharpen's - His- Tongue and thats a cool character you've made. I gave my Nord jet black long hair and tried to make him look a little bit like Agito.

How long do Argonians live anyway? Also, why did the Argonians attack the dark elves?

[The Crimson Guyver]

Are you familiar with the Oghma Infinium glitch? If you use the book in a new saved game, on the bookshelf, at the Breezehome...you can break to lvl 81 easy. If you delete everything, the updates included since the nerfed the OI glitch. If you have Skyrim on PC than it won't matter because you can use commands to put your character and skills at whatever level you want, but since I have 2 Skyrim copies at home regular and Legendary with 1.9 update. I did this 2 days ago on a new game because I started over. I made a Nord warrior, which is lvl 95 now, and joined the companions. I'm finished putting perks on Alchemy at the moment because I like the healing potions and making poison. My Nord can do One Handed, Block, Archery, heavy armor, Smithing, Alchemy, and have the werewolf beast blood (perk tree).

He's probably not as strong as Sharpen's - His- Tongue and thats a cool character you've made. I gave my Nord jet black long hair and tried to make him look a little bit like Agito.

How long do Argonians live anyway? Also, why did the Argonians attack the dark elves?

 

I tend to get immersed in my games, I get mods that make it more immersive. Such as removing fast travel, making it so you have to either use horses or a carriage to get around. Or even the mod that makes it so you can't stay out in the cold for long otherwise hypothermia kicks in, so you have to wear furs to keep warm and have campfire building tools with you. So exploiting glitches or console commands isn't allowed unless the game glitches itself such as getting stuck in a wall or something.

 

I also don't like having my characters be experts with every single perk tree. Sharpens-His-Tongue is about athleticism, stealth, speed and archery and one handed sword combat he has some knowledge in magicka as he was a book salesman when he lived in the Imperial City and he read up on alot of things which is where he got his name. For a Marshborn Argonian his Cyrodiilic (english) is nearly flawless as argonians actually have a hard time learning it compared to their original language Jel so when other argonians saw how he spoke they saw him as having a sharp tongue and he continued to better himself so thats where the term "Sharpens-His-Tongue" comes from.

 

His actual Jel name is Kurei (Koo-Ray) which means Working Rain. Technically it is impronounceable in cyrodiilic and that is where he got his third name Cog-Rein as it was the best other races could pronounce his Jel name.

 

It technically is unknown how long Argonians live it could be very varied based on how a Hist Tree transforms them. Some may live only 80 years while others may live over 200, just like some argonians lay eggs while others give live births. The 2nd Arnesian War was because of thousands of years of being enslaved by the dark elves so it was inevitable that they'd want revenge for what they have endured for hundreds of generations.

 

Black Marsh was the only province that was ready for the Oblivion Crisis as the Hist Trees already knew it would happen so they called all Argonians to return to Black Marsh (those still connected to the Hists.) They then pulled a Chronos and altered all argonians to become giant super soldiers (some were 12 feet tall.) When the Oblivion gates started popping up in the Marshes the Argonians swarmed the gates so badly that the dremora had to close their own gates as the argonians sacked the Deadlands and took everything they could carry.

[Guest Jupiter]

Argonians seem like yellow jackets when you make them mad. I've heard they're some of the best fighters in TES. I'd rather be a Argonian than a damn Elf. I respect the Argonians more since they attacked the Dark Elves in Morrowind, I don't care if the Argonians were wrong in doing it, the only good elf is a dead elf. I hate the elves of all types and that includes Orcs. Thats why I chose a Nord and joined the Storm Cloaks. I like the Nords more because they pretty much killed off the Snow Elves with the help of the Dwemer. Like I said, a good elf is a dead elf.

[The Crimson Guyver]

Egh can't stand Stormcloaks and the beginning of the game really screwed the perceptions of the Empire to people who just started the Elder Scrolls franchise with Skyrim. They don't realize the Thalmor are playing them like puppets, they want that civil war to continue indefinitely to keep their real opponent the Empire weak so when the 2nd Great War starts they will have the upper hand. I always side with the Empire in Skyrim. I can't even roleplay as a Stormcloak knowing how things would turn out if the Stormcloaks won. Well I can roleplay as a Stormcloak but when it finally gets to getting the Jagged Crown then I have them realize the certain things about it all and switch sides.

Drives me bonkers *shivers*.

[Guest Jupiter]

Egh can't stand Stormcloaks and the beginning of the game really screwed the perceptions of the Empire to people who just started the Elder Scrolls franchise with Skyrim. They don't realize the Thalmor are playing them like puppets, they want that civil war to continue indefinitely to keep their real opponent the Empire weak so when the 2nd Great War starts they will have the upper hand. I always side with the Empire in Skyrim. I can't even roleplay as a Stormcloak knowing how things would turn out if the Stormcloaks won. Well I can roleplay as a Stormcloak but when it finally gets to getting the Jagged Crown then I have them realize the certain things about it all and switch sides.

Drives me bonkers *shivers*.

 

I don't suppose I hate all Elves. The Snow Elves look the coolest out of the entire Elven races. They seemed pretty religious in Dawngaurd. It'd be cool if you could choose to make a Snow Elf character.