Can A Guyver beat Archenfal?

[Goku]

Not a Gigantic Guyver and certainly not a guyver xd. 

i am talking about a simple guyver. Can a simple guyver beat a zoalord or archanfel or someone like apollon?

and if not, then what is the use of such weak form of guyver. Why not just launch into gigantic straight away. Doesn't the unit itself know that its base form is too weak. 
 

[Matt Bellamy]

Perhaps you are not aware of the Guyvers origins, but that answer is pretty simple.

The "Control Unit" is a device that the Creators equipped on themselves as "regular equipment". The Bio-Boosting effect did not do much for them it seems.

However, when they attempted to equip it on one of their "perfect weapons" aka a Human, it boosted them incredibly so much that it killed a modified T-Rex with no issue at all. And worst of all, they could no longer control it telepathically. They named this phenomenon "Guyver" or "Out of Control".

The unit is not "Alive" and is a symboitic creature that requires a host and control medal to do anything of meaning. It cannot power itself up by itself.

The Gigantic armor was created by Sho inadvertently when he was linked with the Relic ship from Mnt Minikami, and is not standard equipment. So using it from the get go would have been impossible because it did not exist. The creators probably could never imagine such a thing... And I mean, once they got it, Agito has been making good use out of it for a while.

But no, a normal Guyver is far too under powered to outright take on a Zoalord. They might be able to get a good shot in, here and there... but not a fair fight.

Judging by your questions, it really sounds like you have not read any of the manga... I suggest you google it... it is good stuff, and you can find 80-90% of it online for free.

[Goku]

Actually i have been a huge guyver fan. I have watched both the tv series like a zillion times. and i still do agian and again. 
The manga is a bit hard to read. I try to read it from place to place but it is colorless and the drawings don't give you much in any case or may be it's just me. 

But i did know most of what you said already. I was just curious if the new forms of guyver mean that the original form is redundant or useless now. 
Judging by your answer, I think it is.

[alkanfel009]

Hace 2 horas, Goku dijo:

De Hecho, que Sido ONU guyver ventilador de gran. Él Observado de Tanto en La Serie de Televisión Como Un Millon de Veces. Y todavía alquilásemos Y otra vez. 
El manga Es Un Poco Difícil de leer. Trato de leer from ONU Lugar A Otro, Pero eS incolora y Los dibujos no te doy Tanto en ningún Caso Y Puede Ser solo soy yo. 

Pero yo sabia Más De Lo Que Ya Se ha DICHO. Tenia curiosidad SI Las Nuevas Formas de guyver significativos llevados Que la forma original, es redundante o inútil Ahora. 
A Juzgar Por Su Respuesta, yo creo que es.

I have to say this
,
guyver if the base is quite weak, I compardo with current scales of power in the series
even so ,

contextualisar we have this,

a normal guyver could cope with 90% of the army of timesheets,

and to more than 99.9% of the land laneta

but here it is being purchased with that 10% of time trials,

the zoalords, for which I do believe that more than a normal guyver could face if they take them unawares,

but never one to one,
and less alkanphel

Edited June 30, 2016 by alkanfel009

[Goku]

8 minutes ago, alkanfel009 said:

I have to say this
,
guyver if the base is quite weak, I compardo with current scales of power in the series
even so ,

contextualisar we have this,

a normal guyver could cope with 90% of the army of timesheets,

and to more than 99.9% of the land laneta

but here it is being purchased with that 10% of time trials,

the zoalords, for which I do believe that more than a normal guyver could face if they take them unawares,

but never one to one,
and less alkanphel

Okay. What i got from your post is this. 
Guyver can kill 90 percent of what chronos can throw at him. 

Guyver needs a bigger guyver to kill the rest of the 10 percent chronos throws at him i.e zoalords and alkhenfal (though the prospect of alkhenfal fighting are becoming ever so unlikely.)

[Lindsay]

A Guyver could no doubt get a stealth kill on a Zoalord with HF Swords. Hell, Agito nearly killed Barcas after getting the drop on him, even with his legs out of action. And Shin surely can't help but be aware that Sho and Aptom could assassinate him whenever they wanted.  

Every instance of a standard Guyver having a fair fight, however, has gone very badly indeed (though it's smaller form has enabled Sho to escape three Zoalords - if he hadn't had the Gigantic taken from him after beating Purgstall, he might not have successfully withdrawn). 

I don't think we've seen Kurumegnik display any capabilities other than barriers, flight, and enhancing a fellow Zoalord, so chances are he might be killable if Agito depletes the Gigantic's energy dealing with Jabir. 

As for the redundancy of the basic form, as I say, it's a smaller target, Aptom has not yet shown ability to fuse with and cloak Gigantic (imagine an invisible XD...), and if you use the Gigantic to overkill Zoanoids you might well find it's got to recharge when Guyot jumps out of a tree or something D: 

[Goku]

I mean, i just loved a tiny tiny guyver going up against these monster ass zoanoids. Now, the tv series never went to far to show us Gigantic (just a 30 second fight scene with zextole) or Gigantic xd in action but I think it wouldn't look as spectacular. 

ANd if you think about it, Archanfel isn't that big either, neither is guyot. So i wonder how Gigantic xd would compensate for that. Certainly not stomp them or something. 

Edited July 1, 2016 by Goku

[*zeo]

On 6/29/2016 at 8:25 PM, Goku said:

Why not just launch into gigantic straight away.

Multiple reasons...

1) Phases of transformation, the Gigantic is a upgrade to the standard unit.  So the host has to first transform into the standard form first before they can then call the Gigantic... Though, it can be done in quick succession.

2) Escalation, like someone else mentioned the standard Guyver can still handle about 90% of what Chronos can throw at it and it's tactically smarter to keep the big guns for the big hard to kill targets.

3) Mobility/access, the Gigantic form can't fit everywhere without needing to smash its way through and that's not always the best way to go... Especially, when trying to keep collateral damage to a minimum...

4) Initial Bio-Boost grants the biggest charge.  So it's possible for a partially damaged Guyver to de-activate and then re-activate to instantly have damage regenerated and restored to full strength.  This also happens when the Guyver transforms into the Gigantic and timing that during a battle can have tactical advantages.

5) Stealth, it's easier to sneak around in a smaller form... 

6) The Gigantic form is primarily a energy construct, which is why it can collapse and fall off if too much energy is drained all at once from it and the Giga Smashers, while extremely powerful, can also cause that over draining risk... Versus the less powerful but still very powerful Mega Smashers that will never over drain the standard Guyver form, though it may take awhile after firing before they can be fired again but tactically the less risk of being left in a lurch and having to change tactics in the middle of a battle in the standard Guyver form...

 

Though, I am of the mind that once the Exceed form was unlocked that the Gigantic can now draw all the power it needs, as that is how it transforms into the Exceed, when it needs it and the only risk of a over drain is if the host miscalculates, but that's just my opinion... as otherwise the Gigantic still has limited energy reserves and requires a fair bit of time to recharge after it has fallen off...

 

7) Simple overkill... While the need is low as the transformations can be quickly done at any time... So depends more on the situation at any one time...

[BlackEpyon]

I doubt that a regular Guyver could kill Alkalphel as Alkalphel is just way too powerful for a regular Guyver.  Since a regular Guyver has limited abilities and power when compared to Alkaphel.

[ROUGE]

I mean, well, not really.

Just look at what happened at Relic's Point. Both Sho and Makishima shot off their mega smashers at Alkanfel. Yet he easily reflected the beams right back at them. And that just happenes to be the Guyver's most powerful attack. I highly doubt a Guyver alone could pull off a victory against the Supreme commander of Cronos. I could even see Guyver Gigantic having trouble fighting Alkanfel. Now if he ever decided to use the Guyver Exceed he may have a chance, but even against Apollon it was no match for him. So unless a Guyver unit used the power of the Gigantic or Exceed form and somehow condensed it into a smaller Guyver form (to keep up with his speed), it still may not be enough. I am hoping Alkanfel recovers though, so we can see him fight at full power.

[H222G981]

On 6/29/2016 at 7:25 PM, Goku said:

Not a Gigantic Guyver and certainly not a guyver xd. 

i am talking about a simple guyver. Can a simple guyver beat a zoalord or archanfel or someone like apollon?

The answer is simple. No. The primary Zoalord can beat a "simple" Guyver with little effort. Even Guyot could beat a Guyver single handedly had they not had Guyver 3 had to face him without Murakami's help. That's why the Gigantic was introduced.