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This is a tricky subject.

 

So recently I have seen some rather excellent Guyver themed works that are NSFW type things.

We have generally had a policy of no adult material on the site but let's face it, Guyver is semi- adult i its theme anyway so it's been difficult at times to figure out where the line is drawn.

 

Well Alkanfel009 posted something really beautiful on facebook today. it was definitely adult themed, but it was beautiful at the same time. it was not shameless pornography but it certainly was rather explicit. 

It struck me as a real shame that we cannot post that kind of material on here because it was really an amazing piece of work.

So I am wondering if we can redefine our policy on these types of things.

 

Of course we need to be careful as there will be members coming here who are of a certain age and so we need to act responsibly.

at the same time, let us not forget the events of the movie 'out of control'. The particular 'bonding scene' in that movie is certainly very suggestive. I am not sure if we ought to consider it explicit but it is pretty unmistakable. it is definitely adult themed.
So if we consider that scene and accept that as being a welcome part of the website, then what is our 'level'? what is our rating?

where do we draw the line?

Perhaps we ought to simply allow all guyver material no matter what it's content? I mean we could still employ a policy of clear NSFW or ADULT markers etc...

How does that effect how responsible we are for any youngsters that may frequent the site?

how do we go about such things? because let us face it, there are youngsters all over the internet, definitely on facebook. that material is on facebook so people have already been exposed to it.

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you could possibly set something up similar to the vip forum but for adults only, where you'll need to enter date of birth info before gaining access, if its possible?

i know that people/minors may lie about their age to gain access, but atleast you've met your obligation by giving fair warning before entering.

this way, atleast the whole site won't have to carry an R rating.

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you could possibly set something up similar to the vip forum but for adults only, where you'll need to enter date of birth info before gaining access, if its possible?

i know that people/minors may lie about their age to gain access, but atleast you've met your obligation by giving fair warning before entering.

I agree with GuyverFan. He has a great idea and I think we should go with that. Thats my vote.

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Adults or older teens/people above a certain age area of this forum would be great.  You'd have to enter your age and such, but it's a safe guard to keep people below a certain age from accessing certain materials on this site.  Granted, it's not fool-proof, but most of the stuff that attempt to censor such stuff almost never is, even the V-chip.  All kids have to do is figure out the password.  Maybe making is a slight hassle (birthday plus some capatcha thing) might deter some people who maybe shouldn't be accessing the stuff might be a better option.

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Some great feedback, thanks guys.

so, here this is really a trust system isn't it?

it would be very difficult to implement some system of using credit card verification etc. and way too much hassle for anyone having to fill that in.

so anything we do implement would basically be relying on hte member to be honest.

any person can put in any birth date for example.

so my feeling is that the following bbcode I just wrote for the forum would be just as good as any system.

this is what the code look like:

[adult]any potentially offending content goes here. for the sake of this example, I will not place any questionable content here [/adult]

this is what it does:

The following content is not safe for work and not suitable for minors. more info
any potentially offending content goes here. for the sake of this example, I will not place any questionable content here
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i didn't really mean to have this in the vip forum, but to have a seperate adult content forum which is locked out to all members and visitors, much in the way the vip forum is.

and to gain access, you may need to provide your date of birth on perhaps a pop up scroll of some sorts?

 

totally upto yuki if she wishs to make it available for all members and visitors to view for free or a one off donation.

considering that some content posted in the adult forum may be a product of members and third parties, it may need to stay a free.

(eg, the display of other people's art work, wether displayed by them or posted by others)

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i didn't really mean to have this in the vip forum, but to have a seperate adult content forum which is locked out to all members and visitors, much in the way the vip forum is.

and to gain access, you may need to provide your date of birth on perhaps a pop up scroll of some sorts?

 

totally upto yuki if she wishs to make it available for all members and visitors to view for free or a one off donation.

considering that some content posted in the adult forum may be a product of members and third parties, it may need to stay a free.

(eg, the display of other people's art work, wether displayed by them or posted by others)

I agree on that, I think she should make an Adult Content Forum. Other than signing up. Yuki can give out a pass to enter it if she thinks they are of age. You know, like give you a permission pass of some sort. That way she's sure the person isn't 12 or 14. It can probably just be a member exclusive that way kids who aren't members can't wonder in there looking around and their parents get up set and bar them from the site.

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short of scanning in a photo i.d. or credit card#, it'll be pretty hard to determine someones age over the net.

and not to mention a sh1t load of work for yuki and other staff members if permission passes/codes are required to be given, even if somehow you can automate it but someone will always have to review it.

 

kids will always find away to get in, but we're not talking about hardcore adult content are we?(well, i hope not) it'll be suggestive for sure,maybe a mix of ecxotic and horror, after all i am thinking that its only going to be guyver themed?

 

and i don't think anyones suggesting or hopefully not expecting nude photos to be posted in the forum, cause thats really not what this forum is about.

( waferdanos hentai tentacles included)

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Thats true. When I was a teenager, I always found a way to get into stuff. So it makes perfect sense. But I don't think Yuki is going to post anything like Sho and Mizuki having sex in a photo drawn by someone where you can see everything,lol. ^^;

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just checked the hosting terms and conditions just to make sure of what is allowed.
In actuality I would be allowed to host pornography on here. not that we are going to consider going in that direction, but the point is, any material related to guyver, even if it goes so far as hentai type material, is permitted on hte server s long as it does not violate US law.

Of course, it should go without saying that we want our site to remain tasteful so we need to think about it some more on how we approach these things.
I think we are mature enough to be able to appreciate somebody's artwork even if it is a bit racy.
The tone of our community is set by what we deem to be acceptable, and thus far we have a nice atmosphere free from perversions of any sort.

So I think....
What I would like to do is to talk some more and try and figure out some sort of policy for acceptable behaviour if we were to allow this kind of material to be posted. of course, as is normal round here, acceptable behaviour is essentially moulded by the members and how each of us respond to each other.

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  of course, as is normal round here, acceptable behaviour is essentially moulded by the members and how each of us respond to each other.

 

i don't know yuki, add some jack daniels, tequlia shots and a bit of nudity :yay: and acceptable becomes a blurr ^^;

 

i'm going to have to move up my newyears resolution list;

 

1 be good to my mother

2 be good to my brothers

3 be good to my neighbours

4 no more ebay

5 i said no more ebay

6 DAMN IT, I MEAN IT THIS TIME, EBAY NOMORE

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63 no more internet porn while drinking

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Oh I see some more discussion.

yes some things I would like to address. opt in systems are inherently flawed because some people may be embarrassed to request certain types of access. It would be a shame for somebody to be locked out because they take pride in their own chaste image. Also as Guyverfan said, a lot of work for either me or staff.

now, regarding the nature of said material.
yes it would be guyver themed. I think we would discourage posting of non related material just for the sake of it.
we do have the tribute to asian women and i think that is the limit of where we can go with that kind of thing. I don't think we ought to look at expanding that to include images of those ladies with no top or pants. i think that boundary exists as a form of respect. when you cross that line, it goes beyond admiration and into objectification.
That is of course, not the reason for this discussion. it is of course about celebrating the entertainment we enjoy and exploring how other people have also celebrated it. anything that has been drawn ABOUT guyver is indeed a celebration of guyver and not merely porn for porn's sake. so it should not be considered as porn, but instead considered as art and a tribute.
having said this, there are extremely explicit images of guyvers merging with cute anime girls. For the purposes of what we are talking about, I would think it appropriate to allow posting of those images within a protected field. an adult bbcode tag for example, or a specific forum. Whilst they are explicit, and we might be a bit reluctant to think about posting such imagery, we have to consider, where do we draw the line? and who makes the judgement of what is too explicit? that is a tough one, which is why i think a different approach would be more appropriate. that would be an approach of, how applicable is it to guyver or super sentai or other japan legends, how much is it a tribute, and how much is it shameless exploitation. I think we can rely on each other to make a good judgement call. I mean, any images I have seen Alkanfel post in other places have been specifically guyver themed and not really for any other reason.

The issue of how to present material. if we have a forum dedicated to adult material, we are kind asking for more adult material aren't we? It's sort of like a big advertisement. "GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS! COME GET YOUR NAKED PICS!"
so I am thinking that might not work. but by all means if you disagree, please give your argument.

These are my current thoughts.

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Oh I see some more discussion.

yes some things I would like to address. opt in systems are inherently flawed because some people may be embarrassed to request certain types of access. It would be a shame for somebody to be locked out because they take pride in their own chaste image. Also as Guyverfan said, a lot of work for either me or staff.

now, regarding the nature of said material.

yes it would be guyver themed. I think we would discourage posting of non related material just for the sake of it.

we do have the tribute to asian women and i think that is the limit of where we can go with that kind of thing. I don't think we ought to look at expanding that to include images of those ladies with no top or pants. i think that boundary exists as a form of respect. when you cross that line, it goes beyond admiration and into objectification.

That is of course, not the reason for this discussion. it is of course about celebrating the entertainment we enjoy and exploring how other people have also celebrated it. anything that has been drawn ABOUT guyver is indeed a celebration of guyver and not merely porn for porn's sake. so it should not be considered as porn, but instead considered as art and a tribute.

having said this, there are extremely explicit images of guyvers merging with cute anime girls. For the purposes of what we are talking about, I would think it appropriate to allow posting of those images within a protected field. an adult bbcode tag for example, or a specific forum. Whilst they are explicit, and we might be a bit reluctant to think about posting such imagery, we have to consider, where do we draw the line? and who makes the judgement of what is too explicit? that is a tough one, which is why i think a different approach would be more appropriate. that would be an approach of, how applicable is it to guyver or super sentai or other japan legends, how much is it a tribute, and how much is it shameless exploitation. I think we can rely on each other to make a good judgement call. I mean, any images I have seen Alkanfel post in other places have been specifically guyver themed and not really for any other reason.

The issue of how to present material. if we have a forum dedicated to adult material, we are kind asking for more adult material aren't we? It's sort of like a big advertisement. "GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS! COME GET YOUR NAKED PICS!"

so I am thinking that might not work. but by all means if you disagree, please give your argument.

These are my current thoughts.

 

 Yuki, I'm sure you have it planned out already and I'm sure that you have thought it through to where it won't get out of hand. So I'm comfortable with the idea because I think it should be up to you and the staff to judge what is appropriate and what is inappropriate. I don't think you guys would let it get out of hand. So I have faith and plenty of trust in that area. Since you're planning on doing it. You have my support. So, no argument or debate from me.

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no i'm still unsure about it.

I'm using this thread to explore the concept and see what the whole community thinks.

There have been many occasions where I wanted to go one way and somebody came up with a brilliant counter proposal.

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The problem is that Guyver is a shonen manga, and it's deliberately aimed at teenagers.  Namely, teenage boys.  Granted, Guyver itself isn't insanely adult oriented nor does it feature a lot of what could be considered fan service (Shizu, aka the chick in my new profile pic, being nude in a liquid filled tube a couple of times, Aptom threatening to kill Mizuki, etc), but what is there isn't used gratuitously, aside from maybe Val, but we all know what her character origins are and what happened there...

 

But there's a lot of fan works that border on what might be acceptable or not, including one that floats around the web with a (presumably) nude Shizu with butterfly wings floating/riding on Agito with Agito in his Guyver armor.  I don't know if Shizu is nude or not (Guyver III's head is where her unmentionables are), but for sure her breasts are bare.  But that's no worse then the scenes from the manga with her in the glass tube (her breasts have visible nipples, but her genitals/reproductive parts aren't clearly defined).

 

But granted, it does seem that for the most part Yuki does want to keep the main site as PG/PG-13 rated as possible, and limit access to the adult stuff.  I do vote for something like a birthday indicator or a capatia, or maybe something that cross references a member's birthday in their profile.

 

Besides, maybe it's best to remember that beauty isn't skin deep, and the cutest/sexiest pic I've seen of Shizu was of her fully clothed, namely page 6, Nov 2012 chapter.

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I think that image of Shizu with wings floating behind Guyver 3 with some words written in it....yeah, that was one of my old works. Not surprised how many other people liked to rip me off on that image and claim it as their own. - EDIT ~Yeah, that is mine. I remember Cannibal asking me if he could host it on his site one time~. I'd actually did that image for one of the old Guyverboard art contests. Didn't win, but it was a nice contest.

anyway, Yuki (Ryuki...), G-Fan had a nice idea though I think Ur bbcode might be a nice idea as well. Sadly, nowadays, with a lot of the new fan art, the line is becoming even more considerably blurred. So it's hard to tell what should be done. should we stick to the old rules, revamp them, etc...In the end, we need to think what is best for the site and in keeping the site safe from those that would slander it and cause it any form of degradation.

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I certainly didn't think that the image was offensive in anyway, but I can see with her breasts out that some would consider it objectionable for youths, though breast scenes have been allowed in PG-13 rated movies for years.  But it's no worse than other images of Shizu from the manga.  But it's not like she or most of the other women run around naked for the hell of it.

 

I guess maybe we can see this as sort like the violence in Guyver, which is sorta bloody violent, would we let anyone under the age of 13 read the manga or watch the OVA or TV series?  I probably wouldn't.  Maybe a similar standard needs to be looked at here with some of the fan art.

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actually, that is an excellent point.

chernaudi has made an excellent landmark in this conversation and is something we all need to consider strongly.

 

the amount of violence and blood/gore in guyver is something we should consider when thinking about any youths that may have access to the site.

we have never really given it a second thought when it comes to that. we have never called for any censure of that type of imagery so why should this be any different?

 

perhaps we need to isolate the issue and instead approach it from the perspective of safe for work and not safe for work (NSFW) ?

 

 

although I would add to that....

violence in the uk can warrant and 18 rating but explicit material can warrant a 'restricted' rating.

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My belief is that there should be limits.  There's stuff in Guyver that I wouldn't recommend for anyone under the age of like 13 or so.  I myself don't have a problem with nudity when presented in a tasteful, artistic way.  But when done solely for titillation or for the hell of it, that's a limit for me as far as what belongs on a fan site, let alone in a publicly accessible area.  Also, unless said person is at least in puberty and familiar with the changes of the human body at that age of sexual maturity, and they themselves are mature enough to handle it, the probably shouldn't have easy access.

 

This also means that the images have to have artistic merit, and can't be outright porn or outright hentai, though the English language's loose definition of the word doesn't help the merit of the word "hentai" either.  I'd also put restrictions on sex acts and such in the artwork. 

 

Basically, if it's lingerie/bikinis, it might belong in a 13 and older section, nudity would belong in an adult oriented section.  Problem is how to police it?  Age gates and such are honor systems and they're certainly not infallible.  Hopefully there's a solution to this if this site wants to head towards allowing graphic, but hopefully not very offensive, fan art.

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