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so as not to go on i started this from http://www.japan-legend.com/forum/index.ph...amp;#entry32200

it would be rude of me not to comment on this as i used to be a believer in the 2012 world goes bye bye theory...i say used to as i did literally think that the winter solstice on 2012 would be clocking out time for all of us... but more i looked into to things i really do think that this end of the world is just like a lot of esoteric things - metaphorical.

2012 date stems from the mayan calendar - and the Mayans according to some ascended as a community to a higher plane of exsistence. ( or literally another planet in a near galaxy!?)... maybe this is what will happen on a grander scale to those on earth... think about the polarisation of people on earth becoming stronger and stronger as our age advances we may eventually be split into scum and good if youre scum you can stay here and be scum together if not you can ascend....

this ascension like Ryuki alluded to may be to become christ like.... now were not talking we can go to god n be like whats up dad! and die on a cross to forgive all the scumbags sins.... Christ was like buddah, buddah was like many sidhis in india but revered for his methods, chinese adepts arent even really recognised as the chinese philosophy stayed in china until relevantlly recently etc. etc. ,my point being that spiritually ascended people had these christ like powers in antiquity but along the timeline our way of life has took us away from this information or even wanting to know it...the coming age may be a catalyst for people becoming more spirtual and less involved in materialism.... wether we are to take that literally or metaphorically is yet to be seen... ( this wouldnt really be biological evolution as we already have the potential anyway)

another way to approach this is the allignment theory aswell - not planetary but galactic allignment ...this also relates to the vedic yugas....

due to precession we align to the zodiacal signs in space, this takes 26000 years for a full revolution at around 2200 years for each sign. so for example previous ages were taurus, aries and we are/were in the age of pisces and are in / entering the age of Aquarius which is said to be the asension period for earth...

now the precession is equal to the vedic idea of yugas which is the same 26000 year period but which is split into 2 or 4 sections, a light side or a dark side and or a golden age, silver age, bronze age and iron age,or what is called a 'kali yuga' which is undeniabley what we are in now with humanity being obsessed with materialsm in such a grand way, ignorance and warfare etc.( which yes always lingers but at this point in history seems really stupid its not like were trying to establish empires anymore)

the allignment is special because as we enter the light kali yuga or golden age our solar system is in a position closer to the galactic centre rather than the dark yugas position of us being farthest away from the galactic centre

some might say whoop dee doo, so what?! but you cant underestimate the power of the allignment of planets and stars and especially our galactic centre as they are things of great power with massive electromagnetic fields which have knock on effects on surrounding cellestial bodies, so it is possible that this influx of energy could spark something special for us... the lack of the galactic energy is what makes our species suck and the readdition of it will hopefully make us cool again!

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eether you said a lot of the things i have been thinking and researching.

I read something about an ancient cherokee prophecy that also alludes to hte same things.

I think i read somewhere that our system is part of a cluster called pleiades. I realise that we have a pleiades star cluster in our sky, but i thik we are also supposed to be part of that cluster from some other point of reference. although I am very unclear on this.

yes i find it interesting what you said about the mayans. that they ascended? to hte fifth dimension perhaps? that is where humanity is supposed to be going according to some.

in terms of metaphysics... the 3 dimensions are what we see when awake. the fourth dimension is the astral plane, that we sometimes see when we are asleep. and teh fifth dimension is what many people call heaven.

so this also goes along with what it says in hte christian bible. that christ will return to earth and lead humanity to heaven.

but i don't thik that means we are physically going anywhere

I think it just marks a massive change in attitude.

the way world economy is going.. I think it really is possible that materialism might just collapse completely.

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I personally have no clue to what will happen, but I think 'something' will happen.

By the way, my other topic on the subject was just for fun.

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By the way, my other topic on the subject was just for fun.

i realized that lordspleach thats why i shifted my longer than expected post over here :)

I think i read somewhere that our system is part of a cluster called pleiades. I realise that we have a pleiades star cluster in our sky, but i thik we are also supposed to be part of that cluster from some other point of reference. although I am very unclear on this.

i ve read about it before, something to do with a photon band of radiation that is centred on the pleiades, and that we orbit around Alcyone or something! i dont really understand it fully either!! as to if we are a part of the pleiades star system is questionable i dont think that their stars would be as far from eachother as we are from them but i dont know any distances - its a possibility i suppose ,but its one of the more 'new age' theories.

i think that the pleiades are focused upon by some because of our ancient reverance for the star system - some used to have their calendars set by the pleiades, etc., some new age material is supposedly 'channeled' from the Pleiades and there is also the belief that we are descendants of pleiadean beings , but thats another kettle of fish...

yes i find it interesting what you said about the mayans. that they ascended? to the fifth dimension perhaps? that is where humanity is supposed to be going according to some.

in terms of metaphysics... the 3 dimensions are what we see when awake. the fourth dimension is the astral plane, that we sometimes see when we are asleep. and the fifth dimension is what many people call heaven.

so this also goes along with what it says in the christian bible. that christ will return to earth and lead humanity to heaven.

if i could remember the book id tell you the name, it was one of the first few books i read that set me on a path of discovery, their were a few that focused on the Maya and egypt these all got me into ancient civilisations etc... anyway as to whats past the astral realm who knows.... i think if i started writing about this id be here all night!

I think it just marks a massive change in attitude.

the way world economy is going.. I think it really is possible that materialism might just collapse completely.

I think it does need to collapse and i hope it does for things to get right. i just hope they dont use it as an exscuse to do something more f'd up! there is a balance that needs to be reached between how we have evolved and how we should have evolved - if that makes sense! we do have potential!!!

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i ve read about it before, something to do with a photon band of radiation that is centred on the pleiades, and that we orbit around Alcyone or something! i dont really understand it fully either!! as to if we are a part of the pleiades star system is questionable i dont think that their stars would be as far from eachother as we are from them but i dont know any distances - its a possibility i suppose ,but its one of the more 'new age' theories.

i was interested in the possible correlations between sol, the pleiades cluster and syrius.

I was constructing a diagram, but i found that tehre was not really any pattern that i could determine. the triangulation wasn't very even. can't remember now though.. actually i can't remember what i was trying to prove. so I also think that any relation to the pleiades star cluster is very questionable.

although... the thing that i was reading.. I seem to remember i thought pleiades was spelled wrong.. so i dunno, I t might be possible it wasn't actually meant to be pleiades, rather something else specifically that just sounds like it. I wish i could remember where i was reading it.

I think it does need to collapse and i hope it does for things to get right. i just hope they dont use it as an exscuse to do something more f'd up! there is a balance that needs to be reached between how we have evolved and how we should have evolved - if that makes sense! we do have potential!!!

it's interesting i wsa talking to my mum about this before. we both agreed that it would be good to get a collapse of economy because it would likely end commercialism and materialism.

I went on to thinking how easy it would be for our culture to be more utopian like in star trek. we have lots of resources like factory robots that not as many people actually have to work these days. I have often wished that i could do my art and give it freely. i want to create things and just give them away but i realise that i have to charge for my work in this culture.

I thikn that it may be very possible for us to evolve our culture into a more utopian society.

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i was interested in the possible correlations between sol, the pleiades cluster and syrius.

I was constructing a diagram, but i found that tehre was not really any pattern that i could determine. the triangulation wasn't very even. can't remember now though.. actually i can't remember what i was trying to prove. so I also think that any relation to the pleiades star cluster is very questionable.

although... the thing that i was reading.. I seem to remember i thought pleiades was spelled wrong.. so i dunno, I t might be possible it wasn't actually meant to be pleiades, rather something else specifically that just sounds like it. I wish i could remember where i was reading it.

speaking of spelling things wrong did you mean Sirius ? :) sorry couldnt resist!! i also wonder what you were trying to prove? its funny how theories come and go isnt it...

as for the Pleiades spelling, if we are thinking of the same theory then it does mean the Pleiades, as that theory i was on about mentioned the star Alcyone as the centre of it and that star is part of the Pleiadian cluster...

I went on to thinking how easy it would be for our culture to be more utopian like in star trek. we have lots of resources like factory robots that not as many people actually have to work these days.... I thikn that it may be very possible for us to evolve our culture into a more utopian society.

i'm a bit dubious of robots-e.g matrix, terminator, i robot, :biggrin: as long as we dont make intelligent automatons too free thinking then i think we'd be safer!! (but of course the japanese are obsessed with doing so -so we probably will!) this is what i meant with the balance of technology and a united race, as long as we dont get careless n rely too much on Tecnology and have a judgement day, we could do really well for ourselves! this seed of this seems to be being sown with new ideas for creating energy etc. rather than just new tech for war!!!

thats something that really pisses me off though that our race is so messed up yet we go exploring in space now!!! we should sort out where we live not go poking our noses around elsewhere! grrrrrr

I really hope we have a utopian society even if im not around to see it ... its kind of ironic that utopia means 'no place' alluding to the fact i suppose that its a hard thing to achieve, but i reckon its possible and i think its a bit overdue!!

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speaking of spelling things wrong did you mean Sirius ? :) sorry couldnt resist!! i also wonder what you were trying to prove? its funny how theories come and go isnt it...

ha ha, yeah, nice one :rolleyes: sirius it is.

anyway, I just thought carefully and i remembered what i was doing.

I was looking at orions belt and trying to determine what it would look like from other star systems.

I got some ideas when reading about other cultures on other planets on some website somewhere...

I don't know how much truth there is in any of that, but i thought i'd have a look anyway.

well I mostly concentrated on the positioning of alcyone and the way orions belt would look from there.

I was thinking that it might come out as a equilateral triangle but it didn't so the idea i had was completely null.

thiking of it now... I didn't check to see what it would look like from other star systems like sirius.

If I had saved my file i would be able to check it but i didn't save it.

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hmmm? interesting, but i dont see how we could know what stars look like in the sky on another planet in another star system though?? have they figured it out exactly with computing jiggery pokery??or am i just not thinking enough !!?!

saying that though looking at where sirius is in relation to us in my little mind it seems as if orion may appear similar on sirius as it does on earth as sirius is very very roughly parallel to us ??

maybe if we could send some kind of hubble into different systems we could get some pretty pictures of Sol in relation to everywhere else, and maybe answer that pleiadian question deffinately :biggrin:

though the below info seems to say it might not happen anytime soon :rolleyes:

the distance from the Sun to Proxima Centauri (our nearsest star) is 4.22 light years which is equal to forty trillion kilometres. To walk this distance would take you about one billion years. Even our fastest space probes would take sixty thousand years to travel this distance. There are currently four space probes leaving the solar system - Pioneer 10 and 11, and Voyager 1 and 2 but we will probably lose contact with all of them within twenty years.

oh well :)

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hmmm? interesting, but i dont see how we could know what stars look like in the sky on another planet in another star system though?? have they figured it out exactly with computing jiggery pokery??or am i just not thinking enough !!?!

yes, actually it is quite straight forward.

scientists have got distances for many of the stars in hte sky.

we know the trajectory so we can construct a 3 dimensional star chart of the stars that we can see.

that is what I was constructing, using a 3d design program.

the only thing we can't account for though is any form of dark matter. some stars may be obscured from sight when looking from another planet.. since we cannot see such obstructions, we have no way of knowing.

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well I dun think the world would end but something big could happen at that date, something like pole shift or some sort catastrophe that cause massive casualties worldwide.

Heres an interesting vid on 2012

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I think the ordeal with 2012 is a grip of superstition and mysticism. I think people want something to happen. For that reason alone, something might happen afterall simply because it is the will or expectations of the mass.

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I think the ordeal with 2012 is a grip of superstition and mysticism. I think people want something to happen. For that reason alone, something might happen afterall simply because it is the will or expectations of the mass.

I will be really disappointed if nothing extraordinary happen on that day or during the month, the world is so boring right now nothing ever happens.

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I think the ordeal with 2012 is a grip of superstition and mysticism. I think people want something to happen. For that reason alone, something might happen afterall simply because it is the will or expectations of the mass.

Maybe something will happen on a grand scale that will be quite obvious, or maybe something will happen on a level we have no sense of, as for something happening because we want something to happen i get you because of a collective willpower! but it is a bit of a chicken and egg scenario...has the want /will arisen from expectation or expectation risen because of want/will ???

well I dun think the world would end but something big could happen at that date, something like pole shift or some sort catastrophe that cause massive casualties worldwide.

i neglected pole shifting before, its something to do with Sols magnetic field change / pole reversal ... supposedly it can reverse 5 times every 18000 years, it tends to twist the earth crust around its axis (evidence of this is in reversed magnetic fields in rocks), but it obviously has the potential to cause massive damage.... there is also evidence in the tales of floods and appearances and dissaperances of landmass in antiquity (eg atlantis)

apparently the last shift was between 440ad and 814ad

These influences of the sun from sunspot scycles and magnetic shifts have a correspondance to the fluctuation of societies prosperity and health eg high sunspot activitiy = height of new dynasty Egypt and Rome and low = decline of Greece, and the mayans also dissapeared in one of these lows but they had calculated it would happen 1,366,560 days or 3744 years after their calendar began in 3113bc - around a fifth of the 18000 years above, apparently Venus flipped then but Earth didnt as we are slightly further out ....so this high/low could have some effect on our current society!!!!

i tend to try and forget about the full pole shift , cause quite simply if it involved mammoth tidal waves and earthquakes etc. it would suck for a lot of us!!!!!!!!

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a pole shift is barely noticable.

it's pretty much like a 2.0 earthquake.

there is a pole shift either just happened or due very very soon. ( as in a space of months)

but as far as i am aware this is not detected by science, so it's up to you wether you want to believe that or not.

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I don't give in to the 2012 ideas because I don't like the idea that our existence is so predetermined that we could predict our demise thousands of years ago. Whats the point of living if life makes its own choices?

Besides, people made a huge deal about Y2K and that was an utter flop. The more thought we give to 2012 the more we empower it. I just think its all so silly.

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a pole shift is barely noticable.

it's pretty much like a 2.0 earthquake.

i would say theres potential for pole shifts to be noticeable, but its just the same potential risk as other natural disasters they can cause minor problems or really big bstard ones

I don't give in to the 2012 ideas because I don't like the idea that our existence is so predetermined that we could predict our demise thousands of years ago. Whats the point of living if life makes its own choices?

Besides, people made a huge deal about Y2K and that was an utter flop. The more thought we give to 2012 the more we empower it. I just think its all so silly.

not all 2012 theories involve our demise (theories stated above) ... its not so much about predetermination of disastorous events but calculable natural cycles....Y2K was a joke but that was more about technology messin up wasnt it? i kind of left all this 2012 stuff alone years ago, until i saw the post on it elsewhere on the board the other day so i thought id throw up the stuff i had researched before to show that it wasnt all about doom and gloom :biggrin:

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Well there are a few potential near Earth Objects that NASA presently says will miss us for 2012, let's hope their math is right :mrgreen:

But I'm more worried about the economy, our governments seem hell bent on destroying the economy by trying to help it :confused:

Anyone hear the latest with Brown and Obama wanting to set up a GLOBAL New Deal?

I don't know about you but having the U.N. controlling our tax dollars kinda scares me :sad:

Edit, Update:

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I don't give in to the 2012 ideas because I don't like the idea that our existence is so predetermined that we could predict our demise thousands of years ago. Whats the point of living if life makes its own choices?

we all make our choices from moment to moment, no matter what is pre-determined. like you are destined to die one day, your hair is destined to grow, your heart beats without you even asking it to. the tides rise and fall, politicians lie. there are many many things that are predetermined and we all still make our choice on how we react to each day that is given to us.

nobody knows what will happen in 2012. whatever it is, many people will not bend to it, many will try to cling to the earth and the current ways.

just like the dinosaurs.

just like the ones who didn't go onto noahs ark.

everyone has a choice how to live. (or perhaps die )

but like we've said, nobody knows what will actually happen. it could be impercievable to many. it could be a change that only affects those who accept it. i.e. the others won't even be aware.

But I'm more worried about the economy, our governments seem hell bent on destroying the economy by trying to help it :confused:

yeah, My feelings exactly.

We Almost Got Asteroided Last Night

it's great when this type of thing happens.

It's like a friend come by to say hi. :D

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we all make our choices from moment to moment, no matter what is pre-determined. like you are destined to die one day, your hair is destined to grow, your heart beats without you even asking it to. the tides rise and fall, politicians lie. there are many many things that are predetermined and we all still make our choice on how we react to each day that is given to us.

nobody knows what will happen in 2012. whatever it is, many people will not bend to it, many will try to cling to the earth and the current ways.

just like the dinosaurs.

just like the ones who didn't go onto noahs ark.

everyone has a choice how to live. (or perhaps die )

but like we've said, nobody knows what will actually happen. it could be impercievable to many. it could be a change that only affects those who accept it. i.e. the others won't even be aware.

I'm aware of the illusion of freewill, but if the earth is to be destroyed on 2012 like is predicted, then whats the point of doing anything? Why would anyone give credibility or thought to such an event as it is as futile as our future.

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but i think i made it quite clear that nobody knows what will happen.

I will argue til i'm blue in the face that the earth is not going to 'end'.

if you want to depress yourself and make your life a living hell, then by all means you can go along with the crowd that are harking destruction...

but that is a completely fatalistic point of view. it is holding onto hte idea that things are pre-determined instead of looking at how there are patterns in the universe.

we're not talking about chance events here. we're talking about natural rhythms.

like has been suggested, enormous magnetic fields in space. for example.

the idea that the earth is going to be destroyed is a product of fear. fear is the lowest form of energy you can be subjected to. i.e. it brings you down instead of lifting you up.

this is kind of the basis for ideas such as 'ascension'. if you look at beings that you might consider 'enlightened' such as a dalai lama, you will notice they pay no heed to fear.

let me answer directly though...

I'm aware of the illusion of freewill, but if the earth is to be destroyed on 2012 like is predicted, then whats the point of doing anything? Why would anyone give credibility or thought to such an event as it is as futile as our future.

I don't know why people would give credibility to such a thought, it could be that they are caught in a vortex of fear. fear feeds itself. it is a low energy vibration. it drags you down. if you refuse to believe such thoughts then that is a good thing. it means you see the danger of thinking in that way and are keeping clear from it.

very healthy.

but don't ignore the possibility of a positive outcome. if you can acknowledge the possibility of a good event happening, maybe you might give it some thought and the ideas may inspire you somehow. don't close your heart completely to it because you might discover something amazing.

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I was watching an incredibly interesting metaphysics video,

I'll summarise my thoughts.. if you are interested in it, I can make a new topic for it.

in summary -

the universe is expanding.

if the universe is expanding and the universe is time and space, then do we think time is expanding also?

if time is expanding, then maybe the past wasn't such a long period of time back then?

maybe billions of years was actually 7 days? or something relative.

perhaps our measuring of time, 'binds' us to it somehow. perhaps if they discover the god particle, the higgs boson with hte LHC, we might fid some way to synchronise with time... or something.

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nice answer you gave to youngtusk87 Ryuki....

on the universe expaniding why not have a new topic what could it hurt!!??

i have an idea i would contribute.... hmm dont know if it would fit in exactly though??? - i'll save it incase you do - although saying that it means i'll have to think about it to articulate it properly and my brain will hurt :confused:

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yes, it's certainly the sort of thing that can make brains start to smoke and fizzle...

i'll post the video into a new thread now.

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The world is going to end in 2012.

Britain will have it's opening ceremony for the Olympics, (consisting of musical entertainment - Buskers from all over London playing clashing tunes all at the same time, so that no one is quite sure what any of them are playing- and a fireworks display - consisting of half a dozen kids running around the stadium with sparklers-) and the rest of the world will die laughing, while the British die of embarrassment (it is a noted condition in this country, people claim they're going to die of embarrassment every day). Anyone who misses 'death by opening ceremony' will swiftly die of starvation, or because the power will soon shut down with no one to run it.

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