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What inspired Guyver.

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Nothing is created in a vacuum and I felt like exploring what inspired our beloved franchise.

I'll leave any connections to Kamen Rider to those who have a better understanding of that series.

Baoh

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This is one that the vast majority of the forum will already know but it seems only fair at least give it a passing mention. For those new members Baoh (Boah: The Visitor to give it it's full title) was created by Hirohiko Araki, best known for his series Jojo's Bizarre Adventure. The basic plot is about a young man who is infected with a bio-weapon that grants him superhuman abilites which he uses to fight against the evil origination that experimented on him. It comes off a proto-type version of Guyver in many way although aspects of Jojo can also be seen here such a beings with psychic power and the Piller Men, especially Kars seem to be based on Baoh.

Mazinger Z

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As strange as it sounds  Mazinger's dna is in Guyver. Although it's not as overt as stuff like Baoh and Kamen Rider.

While the original show's narrative is very simple  it's basic elements are not to dissimilar and more developed version such as Shin Mazinger have a much stronger comparison. There also Mazinger Z's weapon. The most obvious is the Mega-Smasher being in the exact same location as the Breast Fire.

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However comparisons could be made with most of them such as the High Fequancy Blade and the Iron Cutter (see above)

Head Beam - Photon Beam - both are the weakest attacks of each.

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The Sonic Buster and the Rust Hurricane are a bit of a loose connection however the being Mazinger was based on, Demon Lord Dante, did posses an ultrasonic roar attack.

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Another connection would be that fact that in both cases, these weapons are horribly overpowered and make short work of most of their opponents. Which tends to force the bad guys to come up with strategies to put the hero at a disadvantage in most confrontations. 

Another is actually Guyver's own Self-Defence Mode. Upon first piloting, Kouji had no idea what he was doing so Mazinger Z went on a rampage upon activation.UnpleasantPhonyFritillarybutterfly-max-1

A similur event occur during the Mazinkaiser series, the Mecha's power was so great that Kouji passed out and Mazinkaiser entered it's "Demon Mode" and attacked friend and foe alike.

Another possible connection is between Great Mazinger and Guyver II. Great Mazinger was built  to be 10x more powerful then Z and it's pilot was built up as a trained specialist. Yet Great Mazinger regularly gets completely trashed in most of it's fight and out performed by Mazinger Z when the two are together.  However the contrast is that Lisker was lumbered with a damaged weapon while Great Mazinger is proof just training and natural talent is no substitute for experience and battle honed skills.

 

 

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Good subject, and if we're talking earliest influences, I think we have to start with the films Alien and The Thing ('79 & '82, respectively). Both films had a huge influence on the culture and popularised the themes of parasitism and symbiotics throughout the 80's. Japan was heavily influenced by American culture after the WW2 and the post-war economic boom that had it's height throughout the late 70's, 80's and early 90's.

I believe Baoh, Guyver along with Venom were some of the earliest comic book characters to incorporate this theme, and I dare say they all had some influence on each other since they all appeared '84/'85.

Being a huge "monster" fan, it's also inconceivable that Takaya wouldn't have been influenced by not only Mazinger Z, but also by Go Nagai's other classic, Devilman.

I consider Guyver an awesome hybrid between symbiotic alien anti-hero and giant mecha genres. Throw in some classic Super Sentai and giant Kaiju (like you mentioned, Kamen Rider, but also Ultra-man) and mindless sci-fi body horror like Videodrome and you've got the perfect concoction!

Of course you could always go back further to find roots in Superman/Godzilla, but they were pretty much the precursors to everything.

Nice topic btw!!

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It has been said before. main influences are megadiver and godzilla. Then Takaya was asked to make it more grotesque. that's what gave us guyver.
There may be more in it though of course so your suggestions are really interesting to consider.

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To throw another giant bot in as possible inspiration, I can't help but see the Ideon in Guyver. especially in Gigantic Exceed.

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Not only in colour scheme but also the fact the Ideon has a "Black Hole Cannon" and the screw you, the ship you flew in on, the fleet you came with you and the planet you called home "Ideon Gun"

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19 hours ago, The Shape said:

To throw another giant bot in as possible inspiration, I can't help but see the Ideon in Guyver. especially in Gigantic Exceed.

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Not only in colour scheme but also the fact the Ideon has a "Black Hole Cannon" and the screw you, the ship you flew in on, the fleet you came with you and the planet you called home "Ideon Gun"

No, definitely not.

It's likely Ultraman or other similar shows. Ideon doesn't "grow". And while a weapons function might be similar, Guyver has had gravity based weapons from the start.

Tora Tan essentially stated the correct information. We can make all the assumptions we want, but those two were mentioned by Takaya himself. The megasmasher specifically has been noted to have been inspired by Godzilla's atomic breath.

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2 hours ago, Matt Bellamy said:

No, definitely not.

It's likely Ultraman or other similar shows. Ideon doesn't "grow". And while a weapons function might be similar, Guyver has had gravity based weapons from the start.

Tora Tan essentially stated the correct information. We can make all the assumptions we want, but those two were mentioned by Takaya himself. The megasmasher specifically has been noted to have been inspired by Godzilla's atomic breath.

Ah yes Ultraman, I don't know why that didn't register when Kanji pointed that out. Hell it's not just the colour and size changing but also it's another instance of an alien setting up shop in someone's body, all be it with consent in that case. Yes far better then Ideon.

On the subject of assumption, well thats kind of the point of this thread. Takaya did indeed site those as his main sources but from examining other content, others research and personal experience, development of any concepts is not always that simple. We constantly absorb new information and idea's that we then develop into our own, one way or another. It's all very interesting I feel and applying a little speculative analysis and assumption to Guyver is both interesting and fun. If absolutely nothing else, doing this with other stuff has allowed me to come across other material I was unaware of.

Edit: It's also a good way to find out your ideas are wrong, case in point.

On that note the placement of the Control Metal and Zoacrystals is another thing of intreast. The most obvious is the idea of the third eye mythology and spirituality. It's a concept generally linked with greater awareness along with the ability to see chakra/auras/ the supernatural. While not a true facsimile  of these concepts, the Control Metal is the core of the Guyver and the direct link between the host and the armour, providing control, information and protection. Perhaps the closest it gets is with the units ability to connect directly with the Relic ship. The Zoacrystals while not as complex are still the key part of Zoalords power. 

Guyver is far from the only one as it has been used in a lot of media, for example Mazinger Z  again with the placement of the pildet. For the first piloted mecha, it's control unit is not behind it's eyes or in it's chest, but right in the centre of the forehead. 

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As well as with it's progenitor Demon Lord Dante, with the human part of the demon (interesting also inspire by Godzilla).

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Other more overt references to the third eye can be found in a  Japanese's fiction such as Tien from Dragon Ball to as recently as One Piece and the character of Pudding.

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On ‎11‎/‎30‎/‎2018 at 1:48 PM, Chucky the Killer Doll said:

Ah yes Ultraman, I don't know why that didn't register when Kanji pointed that out. Hell it's not just the colour and size changing but also it's another instance of an alien setting up shop in someone's body, all be it with consent in that case. Yes far better then Ideon.

On the subject of assumption, well thats kind of the point of this thread. Takaya did indeed site those as his main sources but from examining other content, others research and personal experience, development of any concepts is not always that simple. We constantly absorb new information and idea's that we then develop into our own, one way or another. It's all very interesting I feel and applying a little speculative analysis and assumption to Guyver is both interesting and fun. If absolutely nothing else, doing this with other stuff has allowed me to come across other material I was unaware of.

Edit: It's also a good way to find out your ideas are wrong, case in point.

On that note the placement of the Control Metal and Zoacrystals is another thing of intreast. The most obvious is the idea of the third eye mythology and spirituality. It's a concept generally linked with greater awareness along with the ability to see chakra/auras/ the supernatural. While not a true facsimile  of these concepts, the Control Metal is the core of the Guyver and the direct link between the host and the armour, providing control, information and protection. Perhaps the closest it gets is with the units ability to connect directly with the Relic ship. The Zoacrystals while not as complex are still the key part of Zoalords power. 

Guyver is far from the only one as it has been used in a lot of media, for example Mazinger Z  again with the placement of the pildet. For the first piloted mecha, it's control unit is not behind it's eyes or in it's chest, but right in the centre of the forehead. 

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWLBEdjGmdhtIozmNRge9

As well as with it's progenitor Demon Lord Dante, with the human part of the demon (interesting also inspire by Godzilla).

220px-Mao_Dante_vol2_(2002_series)(it).g

Other more overt references to the third eye can be found in a  Japanese's fiction such as Tien from Dragon Ball to as recently as One Piece and the character of Pudding.

db2a3b77c6a228dcc1a229a606d755b3532b6680latest?cb=20180217222550

 

I never thought of the third eye connection before, cool!

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clarifiying my sentence.

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