[proto-guybaa2]

This amazing! On average, how long does it take to finish one book? There is one thing i dont agree with: giving People acces to these translations without checking whether they reallly support the guyver. On theguyver.net if you wanted access to the translations you have to answer a question that only owners of the Manga can answer. That way you can check if People really own the book. I am afraid now that they can access these scanned translations they will not buy the tankoubon!

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

yes, that is something that will happen, but Ryuki is doing it like this because he wants JP-Legend to be more relaxed on that rule... We do encourage People to buy the books, and we're still not going to volumes 1-7 at any point at all...

on average, I think it takes me a few weeks to complete a book.
i checked out a site called Baka Manga which has some info on our group and it says we release about every 49 days! Not bad.
http://www.mangaupda...ups.html?id=769

[Wiedergänger]

BBD, if you need any help with typesetting let me know what font to use and the translation, and I'd be more than willing to help with book 21. Just thought I throw the offer out there if you wanna take it pm me!

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

Thanks a bunch for the offer dude, but considering how close it is to completetion (like 7 pages left) there really wouldn't be much point. sorry, but thanks anyways!

[proto-guybaa2]

Bio-Boosted Dude, on Aug 7 2007, 04:07 PM, said:

Thanks a bunch for the offer dude, but considering how close it is to completetion (like 7 pages left) there really wouldn't be much point. sorry, but thanks anyways!

So we can expect it by next week to be available for download...?

[Bio-Boosted Dude]

You're right, maybe I should delay it?
Well it's done anyways, go get it now!

[Ryuki]

Bio-Boosted Dude, on Aug 5 2007, 02:39 PM, said:

yes, that is something that will happen, but Ryuki is doing it like this because he wants JP-Legend to be more relaxed on that rule... We do encourage People to buy the books, and we're still not going to volumes 1-7 at any point at all...

because Guyver Advocacy wants an official english release of guyver.
if we can increase the popularity of Guyver in this way, People will ask for an official version.
there was a study somewhere.. i can't remember where...
the most popular scanlated Manga were the ones that got an official release by the likes of tokyo pop etc.

[Super Existence]

Upgraded book 21:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9Z7HYMIJ

[proto-guybaa2]

Ryuki, on Aug 9 2007, 01:56 PM, said:

because Guyver Advocacy wants an official english release of guyver.
if we can increase the popularity of Guyver in this way, People will ask for an official version.
there was a study somewhere.. i can't remember where...
the most popular scanlated Manga were the ones that got an official release by the likes of tokyo pop etc.

Hmm i cant follow your logic. Think of this. If you can get the english scanlations, why in the hell would you get the japanese tankoubon? I think this is going to harm the sale of the japanese tankoubon. If you put a password on the scanlations like on the guyver.net this wouldnt be the case. Now i am afraid People who might have gotten the japanese tankoubon will think now; why should i buy a Manga i cant even read when i can get it for free. I think you should have released one volume without a password and the others locked. This way People get to know the guyver. So they will be tempted to get the japanese tankoubon to find out what happens next. This way you increase Guyver awareness and you dont harm the sale. Plus i dont think its needed to give them away for free to increase popularity of the Guyver because People have new interest in Guyver already because of the 2005 tv series. :wink:

[Super Existence]

But we dont give away books 1-7 for free you have to go buy them, the more of them which are bought will mean a release for the newer books. Besides. Many of the fans will buy the Tankoubons anyway because reading off a computer screen is a nightmare and it would be cheaper to buy the books than print them out.

[Ryuki]

precisely.
we have book 8 done, but i still own the chuangyi version of it because it is far easier to read it when it is in my hands.
I understand where your coming from proto, and it might be an idea to restrict it to one book to force People to buy the japanese books.
problem there is that there are those who don't have credit cards etc.and can't locate the japanese books in any form in which they can purchase.
also there are always problems with the spellings of names etc and you can never guarantee that ppl won't guess the passwords anyway.
there are probably a hole lot of People who know the answer to the ones on Guyver" style="color: #3366BB; cursor:pointer; text-decoration:none;" class="wiki">The [wiki]Guyver Net without ever having the books.
yet another thing to consider is sites that may think about ripping us off.
sites like 'lurk'.
if we restrict People too much, we lose control and lose the position of promoting Guyver because People just go to some other site.
that would be detrimental to Guyver sales and also detrimental to the community.

even if we did decide only to release one book for free viewing, how would we judge which book to release? it might make sense to release book 1 so that People don't get confused. but then that would be stepping on viz's toes and chuangyi as well and damaging sales of Guyver that is already in english. so then we look at the alternative.. we release book 9 or whatever.. with our intention of getting People interested in it.. an odd book halfway through the series... ppl just won't even look at it because you can't jump into a story halfway through.

in the end, you make a good point, but it isn't anything that we haven't already considered an awful lot.
I firmly believe that the way we go about this is the most beneficial to the Guyver entity.

[durendal]

There are many possibilities of what is being done here. One such possibility is that major companies will notice the attention of many fans to the scanlation, and would consider licensing the later volumes. And should there be an official english translation release, it would be obvious that the Advocacy would stop distributing said licensed books.

Not many People are capable of buying the japanese books, much less understand them (speaking in terms outside of japan of course). But if there is an english adaptation for the Guyver, it would mean that the Guyver would have reach a bigger market that is not confined in Japan. Not to mention the royalties Takaya would be recieving for the sales of the Guyver would be much bigger than lost sales due to scanlating the japanese books. And since the international market has opened up for Guyver, it would mean that more People would be able to buy the books.

There's really nothing we can do about People not wanting to buy the books because a scanlation exists. But I would like to think that what the Advocacy is doing is to spread the popularity of the Guyver. Considering it as an unofficial Marketing tool for Takaya to promote Guyver. Hoping that this will prompt major companies to consider translating the books, which would make it accessible to more people, because not everyone in the world is net savy.

[proto-guybaa2]

Hold on a minute, i never said this would hurt the popularity of guyver. I just said it would hurt the international sale of the japanese tankoubon. Hell if i knew about these scanlations before i bought the japanese tankoubon, i might have never bought it! That says alot coming from me... As durendal pointed out this could lead to a bigger market for guyver. But however in the short run it will hurt the international sale of the tankoubon. You honestly think alot of members of Japan-Legend and theguyver.net are going to buy volume 25 at hlj since they know they can get a free scanlation? Well i dont.

[Super Existence]

I dont think japanese sales are an issue if nobody from the west bought the japanese books I think Takaya would still see enough sales from Japan to keep the Manga going, the new Anime is proof of that.
You're quite right that People who get these scanlations will not buy the japanese books but there arent that many People who would do that any save a few die hard collectors like your self.
This project isn't to improve sales of the latest Japanese books because I dont think these scanlations make a remotre dent in the sales of the japanese books whatsoever. It's as we said above to try and get Guyver westernised and released over here in English by the demand for the and old books to be released in English, which really would help Takaya more than a few measly People buying the japanese books.

[Ryuki]

Guyver is on the net anyway. you have the sites like gocomic who release Guyver in chinese. if People are not wanting to buy the manga, they won't and it doesn't make much difference what we do.

at this moment in time I do not actually own a japanese set of tankoubon.
money is tight so I just don't have them.
but I still think that I have supported the sales a fair bit because I have actually purchased the japanese tankoubon about 3 or 4 times.
I have sold them on again, for various reasons, but 4 sets is not too bad.
and i fully intend to buy volume 25 when it is released, because lets face it, the best way to view it is in the original format. no matter how well you scan it in, it just ain't gonna look as nice as on page. it loses detail.

we don't have the power to FORCE People to buy the japanese books. it's just not possible, because People find a way around. I know that I am repeating myself, sorry...
but the best way we can work is to try and maintain some influence.

[Trickle]

proto-guybaa2, on Aug 10 2007, 10:15 AM, said:

You honestly think alot of members of Japan-Legend and theguyver.net are going to buy volume 25.

I dont know about the Japanese stuff. I certainly wouldnt.

However there are probably plenty of People about who still feel cheated after buying the all the American licensed books only for them to stop less than half way. Heck if they continued again I'd almost certainly buy new releases even knowing they will probably never 'finish'.

[krazyie]

Thank You all for the scans.

[Salkafar]

I, for one, buy all the Japanese TPs.

First of all as a token of thank-you to mr.Takaya.

Secondly, they are not that expensive, geesh! Like, 5 bucks.

[The Dauntless One]

Hey, I'm not sure if it's intentionally but the link for book 8 and book 9 are broken.

[Ryuki]

oh crap, sorry about that.
I had renamed the archives to include a zero in front of the 8 and the 9.
It's fixed now.